RSS hide button conflicting with my 4chan-x bar

I'm still getting feedback so I'll keep it up for a while longer.

In some time i'm going to adjust the server to have vichan UI be default for new users and repeat this trial after issues in the thread have been resolved.
Clicking on /fr/ or going to https://kissu.moe/new will activate it again.

After fully reading the thread I retract my earlier criticisms on the grounds that this is actually hilarious.

Forced hotdog stand theme soon?

improved the swapping method, but won't be as intuitive for people who are noscript now

>>5945
>Filtered yet still showing up in replies.
What did you mean by this?

>The boards are all centered, but don't fit well under each other, it'd be better to put it all on the right.
>Possibly an expandable [Boards] tab that you can click to get a list of each board.
I'm thinking that both of these would be good ideas
>I don't know how to fix the upper portion of this abomination though. It's just messy and I can't think of a good way to make it appeal to the eyes more.
Probably remove Home, put All into the boards. FAQ Rules can be homepage only. This means the top section is just the update and return and the layout changes.

>https://puu.sh/H3FpE/0e3cdcc08e.png
>This is annoying, and I think just out of place on an imageboard. Either it's clashing with the aesthetic too much, or it just feels like some template notification.
Error notifications are little too many and probably not needed unless for debug. I think they could be lined up on the top and have errors be for actual errors instead of 404 issues.

>>5959
>Can there be a way to keep the new homepage, but not have the new pages
Probably not, but maybe if it isn't working out.

>>5962
>Also, if you're in a thread the RSS feed thingie overlaps the page.
A fix I had for that was giving the replies a margin and the Op flush to the left.
This prevented an overlap, but someone didn't like that replies had a margin. The only other option then is making the side bigger

>Inside the threads... Hmm... I miss the big banners. I think there should be one at the top of a thread. It gives Kissu more personality. There's more to comment on here but it's 5am...
The floatbar will likely be made into "display:none" and place items onto the top of the page. There's already a banner up there but it's reserved for mobile.

>>5976
Likely no. It won't be removed without lots of consideration.

>>5982
I like it

>>6021
I didn't consider that this had been removed because I don't use it or look at it much, but I suppose it isn't a bad feature. The problem is that it's more programming when I'm trying to make things appealing, not add new things to make it more complicated

>>6033
>One small addition you could do to make the QR box even better in my opinion would be allowing people to rename their files in the box, or allowing people to post links straight to it
I don't quite understand what you mean. You can rename files with this QR. Allowing people to post links directly into the file name box is confusing.

>>6034
>Post cookies don't carry over when toggling UIs, I can't delete my posts I made on the original layout on the new one.
Actually localStorage items, but passwords can be shared in the future
>It takes too long and is too annoying to switch over to the new layout while switching back is near instantaneous.
Just made a change on that
>The sidebar could do with a bit of shortening
width you mean?
> The whitespace to the left of posts is still annoyingly large.
There are two conflicting opinions on this.
> I don't think the OP should be highlighted, at all.
It could be less obvious, but highlighting OPs with only a few lines creates an awkward Effect
I think in the index [Reply] should still be the the right of the post info field https://puu.sh/H3Tst/7d323390b5.png and not below the post https://puu.sh/H3TsL/17baf4dcf2.png, but this is probably the most subjective of my points.
>Minor nitpick, but [Update] should just be [Update], it's universally update and doesn't need to specify it's updating a thread, also it could use a better way of standing out from the rest, but not sticking out too much, since that'd be a pretty important part of the sidebar.
sure

>>6035
>1. Posting doesn't start with the first post of the chain, and instead posts the current post of the chain you've selected. This is annoying when you want to post stuff in a certain order and you chain them to post in this order.
If you've selected a post it should post that post.
>2. I can't see any preview picture for what'll be in my post. This isn't so much an issue as it is an inconvenience that 4chan-x doesn't have. Although this post form could get a leg up on 4chan-x's design if it were to copy that but also make it so that dragging a picture onto a specific chain preview box assigns that post with the selected image.
This might be a worthwhile addition.

>>6044
kk

It has been a while since the last attempt at a new design and I paused myself for two seconds before writing. In the first second, I wondered whether or not I should talk about the good changes. It is often the case that those who hear praise and criticism will often swell their egos with the former to cover up the latter. In the second second, I concluded it is only fair that your improvements are acknowledged and that you should be given a fair chance, even if every other interaction in a similar setting I have had ended as stated.

Thus, I shall talk of the positives first:

- The first half of the home page is satisfactory.

- I have found myself using the feed more than /all/ to see the latest posts as it as proven itself quite useful (suject to change; more later).

- I see you have gotten rid of that despairful right click menu at least on the side bar. This is a welcome change as I no longer have to click twice unnecessarily.

- I see that one can now click the big board name like a button. I appreciate this change.

- Dragging images to reply box works.

- Thread previews in the home page are slightly more visually appealing.

- Board list and reply button appear when side bar is closed.

That is it. It may seem brief, but I deem these changes positive breakthroughs.

>>6050
Now what needs to change:

Luna style isn't so bad but Hazuki style is the only one that's relaxing. Kissu style feels the wrong color compared to original.kissu.moe. I suppose I might be biased, as purple is among my favorite colors, and this purple is quite pleasing.

We will start with the left frame.
Again, you are wasting space. There are more things in it even though it feels like nothing was added. I had to compare side by side to realize what was added here that didn't allow you to move that disgusting bottom-right menu to where it clearly belongs.

And now there are variations depending on whether one is in the home page, in a board or in a thread.
...... I am going to focus in the most bloated, which is when one is browsing a board. Note however, an issue with the left frame @ home page. Pic related.

The simplest fix that will earn you a couple of precious pictures:
LINE UP THE BOARD NAME WITH THE FEED AND SIDE BAR TOGGLE.
I assume you don't because some board's names are too big and that offers a slight leeway in writing the boards in that space.
IT IS A MATTER OF VISUAL AESTHETICS.
I offer alternative solutions:
CHANGE THE FONT SIZE DEPENDING ON THE BOARD.

But there is one True solution: one that is the result of exorcising this evil.
And it involves the complete destruction of the bottom right menu, as well as restoration of much needed features.
There is no other way to do this.

THIS IS NOT MINIMALISM.
THIS IS HORROR VACUI.

This anger. You will pay for this anger.

Where is the reply header?
WHERE IS THE REPLY HEADER

I made myself VERY CLEAR about its use and necessity. I made it VERY CLEAR how the quick reply box can easily become more clutter on the page. I HAVE EVEN PROVIDED YOU WITH A SUITABLE COMPROMISE.

The new thread creation method is a joke. It's the same clutterful reply box. HOW CAN ONE CONCENTRATE ON THEIR WRITING WHEN THERE'S SO MANY DISTRACTIONS TO LOOK AT.
THE REPLY BOX LAGS WHEN DRAGGED.
YOU CAN'T EVEN SCROLL DOWN TO EMPTY SPACE BECAUSE THERE'S NONE.
THIS IS NOT MINIMALISM.
THIS IS HORROR VACUI.

Now look what you have done. The wide banners don't even have a place to belong to anymore. Instead, you pointlessly add them to the pointless bottom-right menu that would have served ONLY as a placehold for news, in an attempt to make that pointless menu have a purpose.

IT IS PAGE CLUTTER.
IT HAS LESS A RIGHT TO BELONG ON THE PAGE THAN THE REPLY FORM.
I HAVE TO CLICK TO HIDE IT EVERY TIME I OPEN A NEW TAB BUT THEN I GET A LITTLE SPECK OF USELESSNESS NEAR THE BOTTOM-RIGHT CORNER LIKE A STUBBORN STAIN THAT WON'T DISAPPEAR EVEN IF YOU SET YOUR CLOTHES ON FIRE.

Next is the change in the [reply] link.
DO YOU NOT SEE HOW COUNTERINTUITIVE THIS IS?
You have a link to a reply within a thread in line with the OP post number. You click it and it takes you inside the thread.
Click the OP post number AND IT OPENS A QUICK REPLY BOX?!
DO YOU NOT SEE HOW COUNTERINTUITIVE THIS IS?
HAVE WE NOT DISCUSSED WHAT KIND OF MENTALITY THIS BREEDS IN POSTERS
So how does one open the thread proper?
In a [reply] link within the OP text body.
THIS IS COUNTERINTUITIVE.
I can click to watch the thread, quick reply TO THE OP SKIPPING THE REST OF THE THREAD, hide/delete/report the thread or click to reply to a reply BEFORE GIVEN THE OPTION TO _SIMPLY OPEN THE THREAD_
YOU WILL PAY

You took one step forward to get enough balance for a backwards sprint.

The bottom right monstrosity is destroyed; the reply form is restored, along with the wide banners.
Now we can return to the left side bar.

Instead of changing font size or mess with the size of anything else... Use the board abbreviation rather than the complete name.
Where would users see the complete name, you ask?

Above the reply form.
As before, so now.

This tires me.
But I must continue.
I must...

Other people already made points about the nav portion of the side bar. I agree only concerning the Nav section. The "wheel" under the big quick reply button is much more aesthetically pleasing. [Update-Thread] should stay that way, as there's so much in that bar that a clickable [Update] will lend itself to confusion. Update what?

Board list and reply button appear when side bar is closed, but update-thread doesn't. Add it back at the bottom of the page.

Consider future-proofing the feed bar. Right now it shows all posts made in all threads, but once kissu.moe becomes the otakutopia that it shall become if my Works are to succeed, then it will move too quickly or show too little of the image board. Consider adding a drop-down menu that allows one to choose between all posts and posts from a specific board. Even then, if kissu gets too fast, this might not be enough, but it will be something.


The fires of Vengeance have all but extinguished. The ashes of Grief stand in their wake, as a reminder of a soul's struggle for Salvation.

>>6051
>The simplest fix that will earn you a couple of precious pictures:

Precious pixels*
Forgive me.

ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━!!

There is more to say, specifically about these blasted blue pop-ups and the aberrant behavior when clicking a quote reply inside a thread, but I am needed someplace else.

Yes, I might remove OP highlighting. It causes an issue on catalogs that isn't worth the fix

>>6055
>Consider adding a drop-down menu that allows one to choose between all posts and posts from a specific board. Even then, if kissu gets too fast, this might not be enough, but it will be something.

That's actually already a part of the new UI, and one of Verm's good selling points for it. It allows one to pick and choose which boards will show up in both the RSS feed and /all/. The only issue with it right now is that the RSS feed has a bit of a problem with posts being made on hidden boards which needs to be addressed at some point. Looking at the weel though now, I think I agree with you a bit more, that part of the sidebar isn't too bad.

>>6053
>Click the OP post number AND IT OPENS A QUICK REPLY BOX?!
It's always done this

>>6060
it's not a complete solution.

In the future it would be that it only targets the board you're in with the homepage being the more tricky part.

>>6051
Some of your posts don't make sense with the features I programmed, or pre-existing on vichan.

pointing to >>6052 and
>I HAVE TO CLICK TO HIDE IT EVERY TIME I OPEN A NEW TAB BUT THEN I GET A LITTLE SPECK OF USELESSNESS NEAR THE BOTTOM-RIGHT CORNER LIKE A STUBBORN STAIN THAT WON'T DISAPPEAR EVEN IF YOU SET YOUR CLOTHES ON FIRE.
It should be autohiding if localstorage is working

>>6053
This is a bit of a weird thing that I've pointed out before, but this is how every other imageboard works

Still some good points. I'll give you the tradition post form, but it's honestly not that different from what I have already. Maybe you didn't post on forums much so you don't get what the QR is going for.

Any particular reason why the content on the sidebar can't be vertical?

>Click on thumb to give feedback
Okay.

Personally, I'd move things like Reply, Update-Thread, Top, Bottom, Options, etc. to a separate top-bar, and change most of them to icons. Pic related's a really shitty mockup of what it would look like.

I think the biggest issue with the sidebar is that it mixes functional stuff with navigational stuff. Moving the functional things to a topbar and turning them into icons would make it clear what's what. It'd also get rid of that weird cramped area at the top of the page by putting something between the content and the top of the browser window.

>>6017
I disagree. I having a unique "look" is a great way to give a site more of it's own identity. I also think that variety in general is always a good thing.

Don't get me wrong, I love the 4chan look, I just don't think it should be the be-all end-all of imageboards.

>>6071
Honestly while you may vouch for its simplicity, icons are a much more obscure way of telling you what a button does compared to text explanations. It's also placed in an unconventional way that'd require a sizable top bar to add onto the layout which already is encroaching on the content of the board. It's a step more into the modern direction than what even vern is posing, which as it goes on carries with it some familiarity while progressing forwards as it evolves.

>>6073
I see where you're coming from, but still think that separating 'things that do things' and 'things that take you places/show you things' would go a long way towards making the new UI more palatable to people who haven't used it yet.

>>6075
Navigation has to be in a sidebar, but if it's obvious that there's too much stuff to do then it might be an option to put it into the main column... header bars are really cliche

like, in this example image I quickly drafted up, the contents in the sidebar are ideal, but when looking at them on the page the search bar and sorting seem out of place. There's also a question of whether or not the Index-Catalog modes deserve to be on a sidebar as well

It could be that all the sidebar needs is this and the rest can go into a main column.

I plan to add another item into the sidebar for related threads and with too much of things to do it could end up getting very bloated.

Laying out some of what you say into the main column may be for the best

>>6077
>>6078
It'd help to add the titles of the boards next to the urls, which would both make it more clear that they're boards and also get rid of the weird empty space.

>>5941
Is this supposed to happen?

>>6080
yes, but it's something I have to fix. It works in threads so I must have missed it in the index

actually I'm not really sure which part is causing this bug to appear. If you could tell me which page you got it on that would help me

yeah, I've gotten this bug in the past but it's not showing up anymore on any of the pages

oh I've got it... it uses a firefox specific CSS for a list item and chrome doesn't support it.

>>6080
Made a fix for it, but it won't be up until I release update 2.1.0

When I visit /qa/ (and only /qa/, the rest of the boards are fine) I get pic related. It's perfectly normal under the vichan interface, which means it must be caused by the new UI.

>>6087
going to need better information than that...

- browser and version
- are you running javascript
- can you get into your dev console and show me any errors

>>6088
-Pale Moon 28.17.0 64 bit on Windows 10
-Yes
-I can, but it doesn't say that there's any errors

>>6089
well it certainly is an epic bug

I will switch over to windows and see

I'm getting this error you talk about. It's very odd..

>>6091
think I found the problem

>>5941
In my opinion, having the banners like they are now kind of ruins them. They work so well on the vichan interface because they're just kind of sat there. It felt like a fun parody of banner ads that fell in line with the site's sense of humor by being silly instead of mocking.

>>6093
that talking points' been covered already. It's going to be moved in tomorrow's work session

Looking nice, only thing really left visually is this

>>6097
Or just remove OP highlighting altogether.

>>5941
New update's pretty great!

The notification-ey-thing (not sure what to call it) at the top of the page covers up the >> when you have the sidebar hidden.

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>>6103
Not vermin, but I'm not sure how necessary it is to have it when the quick-reply box does basically the same thing. Most imageboards have both, but that's less because it's a good design choice and more because everyone either uses or mimics the vichan, which itself (or more properly tinyboard) was just a clone of yotsuba with the 4chan x extension.

Taking tradition out of the equation, I feel like it's actually pretty poor design. You have two fairly prominent UI elements that both do the exact same thing. One of the two methods is generally better than the other, but it's hidden by default, while the inferior one is the first thing you see when you load the page.

>>6103
please stop shouting