No.163654
>>163578This is a sharty scholar btw, he's been at it for 2 months. Everyone calls him soynpai.
No.163659
is anyone else getting a error code when doing the verification for 39 chan?
No.163661
>>163659Yeah, looks like their captcha system went down
No.163662
>>163661there was a raid planned, this is preventitive
No.163663
Completely off-topic /v/ermin discord circlejerk? 100% Fine.
A perfectly fine Seihou thread? Delete that
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/49990399I wish the hack went beyond what happened.
No.163664
>>163663Mod-sama's oshi is streaming Minecraft and needs more thread space, please understand.
No.163667
>>163613It's easy to make fun of them on the lower end but at the same time at least one person who affiliates with them breached 4chan.
No.163668
>>163667even that guy had enough sense to use dancing miku and not soyjaks.
No.163670
>>163669you know, with how antiquated its software is it wouldn't surprise me.
No.163672
>>163669Does that mean search queries and IPs asocisted with them are now at the mercy of hackers? Fuck...
No.163673
>>163669Seems like it's only in /ghost/
No.163674
>>163673Also, it seems to be related to /ic/ in particular
No.163675
>>163669What's the point of hacking an archive site?
No.163676
>>163675you hate fun or want to erase history for some nefarious reason
No.163677
>>163675Because you can? Not everything needs a purpose.
No.163678
>>163676Don't know about hating fun. Hacker seems to be having his own fun, ghost mode redirects to a bocchi song. At least the rest of the site is mostly functional.
No.163679
>>163675For the same reason 4chan was hacked this year, for the lulz
No.163680
>>163663The 4chan staff must be such a nasty, hate-able, demoralized bunch. Imagine being the ruler of the anus of the internet, but even the shit that accumulates there hates your ass.
No.163681
>>163675Other than calling everyone a nigger? Who knows. Maybe someone on the tumor threads flipped over something and decided to fuck with the archives since people also like to ghost post about their favorite vtumors there too.
No.163683
>>163560maybe the 7th shartywave will do it this time
No.163686
>>163667i always thought it must've been some sort of oldfag that just posted it there so they'd take the blame
>>163675maybe he's a true believer in the ephemerality of imageboards?
No.163689
>>163669Almost certainly a hack. But I wonder why only specific threads seem to be targeted? Either way I would be cautious about searching for anything, or even probably using the site at all right now.
No.163690
Losing warosu would be a huge loss of history
probably still not as big as yukila but still
No.163691
>>163690So far it's only /ghost/ that's affected. Admin should still temporarily shut it down to prevent it from getting worse.
No.163692
>>163683Nope, they tried again and failed miserably
No.163693
>>163663Between this and the /v/hu stuff, I wonder if the mods are preparing to wipe touhou off the site entirely.
No.163694
what the fuck happened that made 4chan's current mod team hate Touhou and duojin stuff?
No.163695
>>163694Hack leaks showed that they see it as old busted stuff and always wanted to artificially make /jp/ a fast board like /a/ or /v/ in some way or another. They got their wish when vtumors took over the board and killed a fuckton of threads.
No.163697
>>163694What do you expect of a website that is moderated by the CIA... At least since 2014 4/jp/ is shit anyways.
No.163698
>>163694not related enough to culture war pls understand
No.163699
>>163695Why the fuck would they want /jp/ to be a fast moving board what? That's retarded, the modstaff are fucking retarded.
No.163700
>>163699in other news the sky is blue
No.163701
>>163696The captcha got borked because of a cloudflare setting but once that's fixed it'll shortly go back up.
No.163702
>>163691has anyone contacted the admin about this?
No.163704
demonic captcha..
No.163706
If 4taba is any indication, we will get absolutely leveled if Kissu is ever attacked, especially now where the boss is constantly busy playing gacha..
No.163709
>>163703Hopefully this is enough to stop those losers from reverse image searching
No.163713
>>163703>>163707no.... the ayys got her......
No.163716
>>163707sanny looking pretty sick rn...
No.163717
>>163703is this meant to stop phash/AI stuff?
No.163718
>>163703yet another victory for wapchan and /jp/ culture
>>163717almost certainly, or even just them putting the images in google reverse image search.
No.163721
one step further would be to have a bunch of AI gens of recognizable characters. maybe gen a new batch every day or something. you could have trick captchas too like having reimu dressed up as marisa.
No.163723
>>163721AI gens are far more computationally expensive that just screwing around with filters so I'm not sure how feasible this is
No.163724
>>163723yeah, it's why i thought about genning them daily. you wouldn't do it for every single request.
No.163725
>>163721AI gens are soulless, these are funny I like them more
No.163726
¥ ddos your own site with AI Generated captchas!
Damn, you guys should become VCs
No.163728
>>163726Hey, if you propose that in an interview, you might get hired by Microsoft.
No.163736
What the FUCK is the appeal of Higurashi?
No.163744
POST that gif
No.163757
>>163736i like when the blue haired little girl goes 'nippah!' i think its cute
No.163767
>>163758original language also
No.163769
>>163667>at least one person who affiliates with them breached 4chan.The party disavowed the attacker because they used an image of an anime girl and the community hates anime posters.
No.163771
>>163669Apparently the hacker is just fucking around with JavaScript functionality and the archived data is untouched. I can confirm disabling JS makes the "NIGGER" threads display normally.
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/50184996#p50185021 No.163829
i saw an actual discussion thread get deleted but the /v/hu shit stays up, it is a real mystery.
No.163830
>>163669In ghost post 43503767,4 there is the code:
<span class=filetitle><script>let a=document.querySelectorAll(`blockquote p`);for(b of a)b.innerText=`NIGGER`</script></span>Looks like a standard Javascript injection attack. Someone found a place where they could type < and > without the site converting them to < and > as it should. It doesn't affect the archived data, but if you visit an affected page with Javascript enabled, the script will run in your browser.
No.163832
>>163695>>163697Is there proof for any of this or are you just talking out of your ass, even if it sounds plausible?
No.163842
>>163841The /j/ board leaks? God you're such a fucking retard.
No.163843
>>163703The sharty raiders are probably toast now, since even if they saved the old images from before the new captcha he can just swap out the characters. I tried to reverse image search and these effects were more than enough to break it.
No.163844
>>163703>>163843I assume these distortions are to beat AI image recognition.
No.163852
>>163848I really like this disorted effect
No.163862
>>163711Ah, Rena, or some say Reina...
No.163871
>>163841you have anything that is less than 5 years old?
No.163875
>>163871I believe this is all the /j/ stuff that was found
https://bvll.neocities.org/j/ No.163886
>>163875I remember seeing posts of people pulling irc logs of the jans complaining about 4/jp/, I think I still have the email list saved on a text file somewhere.
No.163938
>>163841>>163875for the lazy here's a link to the thread
https://bvll.neocities.org/j/6415the replies go all the way oct '24
glad to see our /qa/-gang got a shoutout
No.163939
oh nice a thread dedicated to /qa/. i can't believe i missed this earlier
https://bvll.neocities.org/j/6485 No.163941
>>163938>I'd personally rather have more vtuber threads with quality discussion at the cost of losing a few Touhou-ecchi-image-dump threads.Yeah good luck with that.
What absolute clowns. Although I have to give them credit for making me start seeking out other chans and eventually finding kissu.
No.163971
>>163941he's right and /c/ style image dump threads are essentially on the level of /v/hu circlejerks
No.163972
>>163971Even accepting the premise that 4/jp/ Touhou threads are mostly image dumps with absolutely no value doesn't make
>vtuber threads with quality discussionany less stupid.
No.163973
>>163971I liked the /c/ style threads because they were slow and people posted good art and funny images of the characters. The /v/hu circlejerks from what I read was this weird meta discussion involving doxxing artists and anyone that the posters could stick a name to, while posting kuso western interpretations of the characters, its extremely cringe, on par with vtuber spam.
No.163974
>>163938>>163939....the good ole' days
sigh
No.163975
>>163939Missed it too.
>I can't really speak to the volume of unique users on /qa/, but it's apparent that opportunists have taken advantage of relatively lax moderation to shitpost to their hearts' content. However, I'd wager that this attitude is not representative of the rest of the site's users, who would probably prefer a place where meta discussion can be conducted in an orderly fashion over having another pseudo-random board.>Unfortunately, /qa/ is in this weird middle ground where it's trying to support decent quality meta threads and shitposting at the same time. This simply isn't feasible. I'd be interested in seeing what others have to say about this, but I'll toss out some ideas for the sake of a springboard:Nice going, retardo. Instead of 2D/Random+Meta instead you made /i/ with the worst subhumans imaginable to the point that you had to shut it down. Hope it was worth it, fucktard.
No.163976
>>163975Yeah, despite cognizance of the problems, and userbase desires, they just found a way to make a place inhospitable to everyone.
Death by committee.
No.163984
>>163975they seemed perfectly content with it being /i/ until it bit them hard. 4chan mods have this tendency to really shoot themselves in the foot.
No.164064
>>>/trans/30283some interesting posts and stuff sprinkled in that last discussion, but you guys should remember this is a
happenings thread
No.164194
>>164193
Captcha is down but some posts still make it through.
No.164195
>>164193
Yes, looks like the captcha is fucked up.
No.164196
>>164194>>164195now I feel bad for deleting my post. thanks anon, I thought it was the internet at my job shitting the bed.
No.164197
>>164194>>164195Thanks. I thought my ISP was blocking cloudflare and the problem was on my side.
No.164198
CHICKEN JOCKEY
No.164201
>>164200>membersDo you mean pass users, you dumb shit? No, I can still post without pass, and it's all just very slow.
No.164202
>>164199What site is that? 4stats still hasn't restored the charts.
No.164203
File:4s.png (634.5 KB,1236x4701)
>>164200I'm a non-pass user (>implying I would give hiro and rapedape my money) and I was able to upload an image after a couple of attempts. Right now it seems that sys.4chan.org (the part of the site that deals with uploads, reports and native captchas) is chocking on something.
No.164205
>>164204Thank you. I can see some issues, but it's better than nothing.
No.164220
death to advertisers
No.164221
this advertiser just advertised me
No.164222
Do you guys believe having thread IDs would help cut down on shitposting/samefagging on 4chan? This was discussed at one point and people kept saying they're pointless and people could just evade them the same way they evade bans (and that on boards that do have IDs they're just to cause conflict in threads). I can see why that may be an issue but I don't think that makes them entirely pointless. Plus, they added the IP counter and then got rid of it, so the fact that they got rid of it makes me think having it does provide useful information to see how many posters are just having conversations with themselves.
>>164220>>164221My favorite part was when the advertiser yelled "I'm advertising!" and then advertised all over the place.
No.164242
>>164240 (deleted)read
>>164219 No.164243
>>164242Sorry about that, missed that post.
No.164244
>>164222I think it would be helpful but as you said, you'd need solid moderation so it doesn't just turn into constant bickering about 1pbtids.
No.164246
>>164219At this point it's not "malicious attention whore". It's "Admins of two of the largest non-corporate internet communities begging for help dealing with a group of schizos waging a literal internet guerrilla war"
Might as well consider them the new Esther. Or we are also forbidden to talk about them too?
No.164247
Yeah this is important to talk about, stop being a bitch about it just because you have a bug up your ass about these particular characters. They're not soy wojackers so you don't even have that excuse.
No.164248
>>164222Getting IDs on the slower boards and realizing that every thread is just 3-5 people talking to each other would be depressing as fuck. IDs should be reserved to fast boards where samefagging is a real issue (like /pol/ and /biz/).
No.164249
>>164247I agree the topic is interesting and I consider it relevant to the "or related stuff" in the OP, but "stop being a bitch" is a terrible response.
No.164250
>>164248There's a few other ID IBs where I feel really ashamed if I double post.
No.164251
>>164247This thread sits in an odd place between the yukkuri atmosphere of kissu and the documentation legacy of /qa/. So talking about shitposters and spammers(which inevitably turns into their glorification or criticism) is a grey area. Since it turns into something that resembles an activist's hideout on an otherwise casual site, how much is permitted depends on how quickly it deteriorates into becoming strongly adjacent to the rest of Kissu.
So to put it simply, while statements that we try to respect more 'freedom' in this thread, there's going to be limits that are only ever going to be relative.
I think the time proximity to the other deleted conversation should be enough indication that the dial is not turned towards freedom right now
No.164252
>>164246In the past when people wanted to build someone up as the final boss of the internet in this thread we had to put a word filter in place and start deleting the posts as the shameless promotion dominated the thread and was close to driving people away.
You're talking about things said on twitter and kiwifarms, neither of which is an imageboard. And you're not talking about
events, you're talking about individuals.
"[Name] is doing this and [name] is doing that! [Other name] has declared war on [name]! Stay tuned for the next internet battle on Dragonball Z!"
Imageboards are just background noise for this subject. You want to talk about their actions as people behind the keyboard.
Will this thread benefit from documenting these "schizos waging a literal internet guerrilla war"? When has a thread ever benefitted from talking about schizos?
What are people supposed to post in relation to that? Discord screenshots? Twitter posts? Does this still sound like an imageboard happenings thread to you or does it sound like kiwifarms?
>>164247>these particular characters.You're conflating my refusal to fill this thread with gossip with me taking "sides" which is exactly the kind of thing that can't be allowed to sprout here.
No.164253
>>164249>"stop being a bitch" is a terrible response.Tailored to the mod I'm responding to, who has a bit of a persecution complex. The whole "99% of the internet is already RUINED ;_; by the stuff I personally hate" sentiment.
>>164252>In the past when people wanted to build someone up as the final boss of the internet in this thread we had to put a word filter in place and start deleting the posts as the shameless promotion dominated the thread and was close to driving people away.Thought that was more due to personal involvement between "that guy" and the webmaster of kissu.moe than anything else. In any case, what has that guy done lately? You could remove the wordfilter and I bet nothing would happen.
>>164252>You're conflating my refusal to fill this thread with gossip with me taking "sides" which is exactly the kind of thing that can't be allowed to sprout here.I'm not at all under the impression that you are on guy A's side of the KF/4chan/[the attacker] site war more than guy B or guy C. You don't like any of them. Well, disliking them all equally still doesn't make you objective. This moderation action comes across to me as more like "Stop discussing what I don't like", using considerations of the greater good for kissu as a figleaf.
No.164255
So the gist of the events as they relate to imageboards, without referencing the people involved, is that 4chan is undergoing a successful denial of service attack. The attack is not a DDOS, but an indirect method involving CP spam. Is that correct?
No.164256
>>164252That guy was a special case because he quite literally ordered people to do that, and specifically ordered it done to kissu and the "/qa/sphere", or at least that's how I understand it went.
Here we are mere observers. And it ain't a guy. The man literally runs his own community and has like a dozen well known 4chan spammers confirmed to use the site. I could name names but I doubt locals would recognize anyone besides vidyabutts.
And did you forget the CP bots I mentioned before? They exist and are operating right now courtesy of him. Go check the /v/ archive if you don't believe me. We post that 4chan sucks all the time. To me this is an effort at understand why it sucks.
This is genuinely something unprecedented and at this point it's basically guaranteed we are gonna see people talking about this, chan-side, 10 years from now.
No.164257
All these posts inspired me to look into the drama myself and all I can say is holy shit the furfag I saw on 4/qa/ back in 2019 is still at it. If it weren't for his vile nature I'd praise him for sticking it to the 4chan jannies.
Regarding the post deletions, I think talking about the spam/individual(s) is fine. He is someone that has been around for years and continues to have an effect on multiple imageboards. I have documented activity across imageboards for a while now and think its worth having the information around for those people who like internet archaeology.
I don't, however, think that posting anything from KF should be allowed. Its a particularly vile site that's largely divorced from imageboards.
No.164269
>>164222Only the worst 4chan boards have IDs, and only the worst trash coming from these boards want IDs because they fear anonymity. To put it into 4chan lingo, they're reddit.
No.164270
>>164269Wouldn't the worst of the worst trash posters NOT want IDs because that would mean that they can go about without getting caught?
4chan is a nigger-reddit colony at this point so who fucking cares if shit is reddit or not, it's already a reddit/twitter shithole colony.
No.164271
>>164270Then you should just go for accounts with IDs instead of names.
No.164272
>>164270It's pointless because you can just flick the airplane mode or reset your router to get a new ID. When you're a typical user not aware of that, you get susceptible to "consensus" psyops. There are no upsides. If anything, IDs only give more cancer opportunities.
"We" probably could get a secret experimental topical board with IDs, maybe, just to see how it could go on kissu.
>>164255Some days ago before the little offtopic purge I wanted to schizo funpost as to how come 4chan gets so little CP spam, other imageboards get it disproportionately more, and mainstream social content sites had been getting next to zero even before AI filters - as botspam is technically a service that costs money, so the selective money trails are quite weird. I deleted before sending. Now this is an awkward coincidence.
No.164277
>>164270Why would I want to post with an ID when I can just use a forum instead, wouldn't that defeat the purpose of an imageboard? Whatever place I see with this implemented I don't use it at all.
No.164278
>>164277I think it's fine if the admin turns it on and off.
No.164279
You just know that a dedicated schizo would change IP and thus IDs all the time if they were enabled. Which would lead that you get ">1 post by this ID" replies or something, which is probably why the mods removed the IP counter in the first place.
No.164280
>>164277The IDs are thread specific. It's not like an "identity" like with a forum. Even with the problems with it people are pointing out I still feel like it could do some prevention of samefagging.
No.164281
Maybe a bit off-topic but what are the things that annoy you about modern imageboard design? I fucking hate multiple attachments and some of the insanely high limits other place have. If you're going to allow threads to get up to 2000 posts or some bullshit like that, at least implement pagination like this place.
>>164280agreed
No.164283
>>164281I don't mind 3 attachments but 5 is too many
No.164284
https://boards.4chan.org/a/thread/283308967Bait thread reached bump limit with chatgpt spam.
No.164285
>>164281Multi image posts are bullshit. If you want to focus on image dumping, just make it easier to make more posts.
No.164287
>>164285imo they're fine for boards that are meant to be actual image dumps but it completely kills discussion on slower boards.
No.164289
Thread IDs could be a fun experiment on /secret/.
No.164299
>>164289how am I supposed to blog in the write thread if /secret/ is turned into that!?
No.164307
I never understood why 4chan anons screech at the removal of the IP counter so much, while the removal of the public ban list got basically ignored.
No.164315
>>164248Yeah, I hate that too and most of why I didn't do much on 8/jp/ to keep doing what I was doing on 4/jp/. Really dont like being half the thread in posts when it's a character I really like and feel the need to reply to everything.
No.164319
4trash down again?
No.164322
>>164319Yeah, captcha is dead
No.164349
>>164307The IP counter was a little bit of assurance that a thread wasn't complete samefagging, and as for the public ban list, well, it really wasn't that popular and it was curated (wasn't it?) by the jannies rather than being comprehensive.
Really, all of it is just changes that no one asked for that aren't beneficial in any way. Like
>>164326 said rather than becoming more transparent over time/after the hack they've just doubled down and are even more isolated from the average anon.
No.164352
>>164326>>164349I kept seeing schizos saying mods accidentally pushed the wrong button when banning some CP spammer so it showed up on there and that's why it got removed. Who knows if that's true or not. What's more likely is that they urgently chopped off as many features from Yotsuba as possible.
No.164371
The new captcha they have is unreasonably hard. I have failed it 7 times now.
No.164373
>>164371>>164372Do you know what a circle is? Actually, some of the circles in your image look more like diamonds. But even those are what you need to be typing. So that one would be JHGK8D.
No.164374
>>164373A diamond is not a circle.
Is team4chan this retarded?
No.164375
>>164374I'm pretty sure these captchas are just used directly from Google. So it's Google that's retarded.
No.164376
Maybe in India a diamond is a circle.
No.164377
Kinda feels like death by 1000 cuts
No.164378
>>164372it's really funny that the one guy working on wapchan made a better captcha for free than the guy paid to work on 4chan
No.164379
>>164378It's meant for a completely different threat model.
No.164381
>>164352>What's more likely is that they urgently chopped off as many features from Yotsuba as possible.proxyfags were using the ban list as a sort of fame contest. That's the only reason it got removed.
No.164384
>>164370>MrVacBob got a real job ever so long agoat apple btw. Think he's still in there.
You are wrong on just about everything else. There's been a lot of backend shit to deal with spammers. The entire IP trust system for stealth spammers / bots and the flood limit system for script spammers.
There's currently no technological solution for
targeted spam, specially now with AI. The kids here saying their super duper secret character captchas work do it because they never actually experience a spambot with an active maintainer working on custom methods to evade blocks.
If you don't believe me, I remind you that no other mega platform on the Internet has successfully fought off bots without requiring live camera ID'ing to register.
No.164386
>>164374It's a circle in the taxicab metric.
No.164387
>>164384Sorry mate but I don't consider a few bespoke tit for tat improvements from a literal part timer over a decade to be significant development. It demonstrates the lack of priority while the janitor program has only even expanded exponentially while 4chan languishes to the point it can be skidded into from the lack of developer man hours.
And AI has absolutely nothing to do with what 4chan's administrator was complaining about.
No.164388
>>164372I can't imagine this will help much in the long term. Finding white and black circles in a mostly gray image is not exactly a difficult problem. But at least it was probably quick to implement.
>>1643754chan hasn't used Google's so-called captcha in a while.
No.164394
>>164381The only thing I saw that posts by the same spammer got vastly different ban reasons, from ban evasion to normal 3 days, indicating that the staff was completely uncoordinated and in the dark about these schizos. They're so god damn retarded, every normal user knew it was the same ban evading schizo.
>>164372>they expect new users to bother with this shitThe 4chan staff is so trash holy shit.
No.164399
>>164386what's the taxicab diamond?
No.164400
Speaking the disaster 4chan is right now, I did a search of deleted /v/ opening posts in arch.b4k.dev. Right now there's archived CSAM up to Saturday. I won't be surprised if they get dropped by the DNS registrar again.
No.164404
>>164403this looks like one of those stealth jew pics
No.164406
>>164402It can get specially bad during the morning euro hours (/g/ too). I have seen days when it's like there are no janitors actively monitoring the board at the time. If you don't report it, it will stay there for some time, rather than being deleted in seconds.
No.164407
>>164394AI moderation when?
No.164408
>>164407That would definitely perform better... if you had anything decent to train it on.
No.164409
>>164406SEA hours are the worst. I know this as a sufferer of insomnia.
No.164411
>>164349>after the hack they've just doubled down and are even more isolated from the average anon.That just reminds me, they deleted the moderation feedback item in the feedback form too.
Also, never try to post pic related character on /a/.
No.164412
>>164411what's wrong with her?
No.164417
>>164407Wordfilters are enough, anything more and it would be weird
No.164421
Not even 4chan’s adult gif board is safe from all the race baiting and culture war garbage. Most threads get constantly derailed with off-topic shit and little to no videos ever get posted in them. Just walls of text from /pol/cels complaining about degeneracy and how le boogeymen is behind race mixing and whatnot.
No.164436
>>164421Blame the people endlessly shilling that stuff, not the people complaining about the people endlessly shilling that stuff. Common sense.
No.164437
>>164421Fascinating. I wouldn't have thought /gif/ could get even worse. Let me guess, the mods don't care.
No.164438
Mods cared enough they made /wsg/ where they enforce their pet interpretations of the rules. /gif/ itself was basically written off at that point.
No.164439
catbox is retarded for requiring an email address to report links. Are you supposed to actually email links to illegal contents to them hosted by their site? That would be an illegal act in itself.
No.164440
>>164400Reminds me of how there was a guy on /jp/ that would spam CP on Vocaloid threads and months later his posts are still on Warosu
No.164441
>>164440What the FUCK are all the moralfags doing?
No.164442
>>164440There's this guy that does it in Touhou and Vocaloid threads on /v/. Hell, even having Miku in the Sonic Racing Crossworlds OPs was enough to set him off.
No.164444
>>164441Crusading against videogames and anime.
No.164445
>>1642844chan is definitely going through a controlled demolition right now. I guess the real world awaits me. Fuck
No.164447
>>164442>There's this guy that does it in Touhou and Vocaloid threads on /v/The 'shitgu' spammer, right?. I don't go on /v/ so I don't know how active he is there, but he used to spam the Vocaloid threads on /jp/ and go on long rants about how Teto is better than Miku before posting CP and leaving.
What's funny is that even without him there the Vocaloid threads on /jp/ are still abysmal dogshit compared to what they were pre-hack.
No.164449
>>164439>catbox is retarded for requiring an email address to report linksOstensibly to prevent report abuse.
The CP laws are intentionally obtuse. They're meant to shut down free and open discussion on the internet. Either you go dancing about trying to follow the laws or you get deplatformed.
It makes it so easy. All you do is inject illegal content and then cry foul to the authorities who come to crush and kill you and your website.
Meanwhile the industrialized mass child rape and murder implied by the Epstein and Dutroux brouhahas is allowed to continue with not so much as a single batted eye by the mundanes. They want to listen to Grimes and Eilish on their smarttrackers while the industrial waste spills into the fields and oceans exterminating whatever remains alive, before spreading their infection to the stars.
No.164454
>>164449WHATS WRONG WITH GRIMES???
I LIKE GRIMES?!?!
No.164456
>>164455Not that specifically, the thread itself. Sorry
No.164457
>>164372oh fuck i left my computer on for several consecutive days (started doing this because of the ridiculously long wait times they use to make you sit through before posting) so i haven't got this variant of the captcha yet
to repeat what another anon said, the hack in april wasn't enough
No.164459
>>164439>>164449What I'm shocked by is catmin not figuring out how to stop a bulk of it.
No.164460
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/(redacted)The absolute state of /pol/tards and of Norway.
(Not a happening) No.164461
>>164460As shit as /pol/ is it kind of reminds me of how people described old /b/ as a board you could hop on at anytime and be completely taken off guard by. There's always something lulzy or interesting to see.
No.164470
>Janitor application acceptance emails are being sent out. Please remember to check your spam box!
Guys, 4chan moderation will be good again!
No.164471
>>164470Imagine willingly doxing yourself to RapeApe and going through that humiliation ritual of an interview.
No.164478
>>164470Already?
This year really has been one of remarkable decline there.
No.164485
>>164387>And AI has absolutely nothing to do with what 4chan's administrator was complaining about.The pizza bot solves captchas via AI, posts inane anime+game AI model threads to build up a repository of session cookies and trusted IP.
Right now, they are trying to extend the system to solve hcaptcha too.
Argue "he doesn't do enough" all you want, there's literally nothing left to do short of killing 4chan's purpose as an IB by implementing account systems.
>>164402It's revenge spam. I want to make the point for everyone reading: I was around for the wild west /b/ days. It pales compared to this. At no point in 4chan's 20 years of history it's been this bad.
>>164470You sound buttmad
No.164486
>>164485>The pizza bot solves captchas via AI, posts inane anime+game AI model threads to build up a repository of session cookies and trusted IP.How would you know this? What's the purpose of having a "trusted" IP when it can just solve captchas?
>It's revenge spam.What for?
>You sound buttmadWhy?
No.164487
>>164485How do you know he's trying to solve hcaptcha?
>>164486Trusted IPs get simpler captchas, can post more often, probably evade some shadowbans, etc
No.164488
>>164485Also what did you mean by "posts inane anime+game AI model threads"
The threads are AI generated or are they about AI? It doesn't look completely automatic since the poster will sometimes respond.
No.164489
>>164488I assume he means they let the bots post about nothing (that would be deleted or arouse suspicion) to farm trusted sessions.
But how he knows, he didn't tell us. If he's speaking the truth he obviously must be one of them. He didn't post an archived or live thread of that sort, so he could be making up a story as well.
No.164490
>>164489>He didn't post an archived or live thread of that sort, By that, I mean it would have been easy for him to post proof.
No.164491
>>164489>I assume he means they let the bots post about nothing (that would be deleted or arouse suspicion) to farm trusted sessions.This one, we knew about. It was being done manually.
His reaction to that anon making fun of the janny hiring process makes me think it would be pretty funny if GrapeApe posted here.
No.164492
>>164489>>164491>>farm trusted sessions.>This one, we knew about.hmm, but what's the point of doing that if the bot is already able to solve captchas? what's the benefit of getting a no verification needed after having gotten the prior five or so correct?
No.164493
>>164492You can spam faster and evade other countermeasures, I guess.
No.164494
I just had that thought that most janny applicants are probably state sponsored trolls and such, who want to censor unwelcome opinions, gain insight into 4chan's workings, or other information warfare reasons.
It makes too much sense. It's too obvious even.
>>164492I don't see any. Maybe they can't auto solve the harder captchas, so they farm trusted sessions manually before using them to spam? If they spam CP, their sessions will get burned forever immediately. Such huge effort (in addition to becoming a fully fledged criminal) just to express their butthurt at 4chan.
No.164495
>>164493but isn't it slower? you need to wait for two minutes with every post, and i'm not sure what those avoided countermeasures would be
No.164497
>>164487>>164486>How would you know this? >How do you know he's trying to solve hcaptcha?Because the lead dev(s?) of the ban evasion tool said so. You can just read their IB. They don't hide what they are doing.
>>164486>What for?Their leader got doxed.
Tho' they were already playing hide and seek with embedded pizza files all year. They just stopped doing the "hide" part.
Since you can see in the /v/ archive that pizza is getting posted literally 24/7 it's not too hard to guess someone hooked up a bot recently.
That also means they can afford to waste several hundred IPs a day without affecting their capabilities. shit's fucking grim.
>>164492Auto-flood detection can make it so you can't post images or make threads unless your session is old enough.
>>164489I'm trying to respect the admins wishes by not mentioning the places discussing this.
No.164498
>>164497Oh.
Well going mask off might make the feds actually look at it now. No doubt they thought GrapeApe was a schizo for saying shit like "hey these guys hide links to a file locker in file names to images and videos of illegal material which is also encrypted"
No.164499
>>164498I'm not going to pretend I 100% understand the obfuscation they use but it's utterly fucking grim that no law enforcement office has figured out what's happening.
If the archives die because of these cunts I'll fucking scream.
No.164501
The US won't even have air traffic controllers in a few months. Yet there's some expectation that the FBI is going to go after digital crimes.
To add insult to injury, you can also look at their failure to defend citizens from financial crimes(cryptocurrency).
The only logical outcome is that the service providers won't like what they're dealing with an cut ties with everyone legitimate, if they can't prove their financial worth.
No.164510
>>164501>Yet there's some expectation that the FBI is going to go after digital crimes.All the "think of the children!" fearmongering is a major contributing factor, plus it's supposedly used as an easy way to bust people they want gone.
>you can also look at their failure to defend citizens from financial crimes(cryptocurrency).The main point of cryptocurrency is not having to deal with government control, unless you mean crypto as a whole is a bad idea.
No.164511
>>164510I said what I meant. Financial crimes involving named people using cryptocurrency as a means to bypass existing banking regulations that were created centuries ago.
No.164515
>>164513That's an old site...
No.164522
>>164488>The threads are AI generated or are they about AI?Both lol. I don't understand how those threads don't get deleted. I suppose there must be some infiltrated janny because any post calling out the obvious gets insta deleted for "off-topic"
No.164523
>>164499>If the archives die because of these cunts I'll fucking scream.I suppose that's their objective.
No.164524
>>1645224chan staff loves AI, that much is true.
No.164525
>>164513Is it still up and running? When I trying going to it I just get a generic DreamHost site not found message. Sad if it died ;_;
No.164526
>>164513finally a good happening.
Never been a part of their community but I liked some of their threads.
No.164531
>>164485You're still arguing besides Rapeape's point and therefore my point and so I think you don't even know what he cried about in the first place.
No.164533
4chan shitting itself again.
No.164535
>>164531The RapeApe point that exists only in your head (living rent free next to yotsuba and not the one drawn by Azuma) since none of me replies were about him?
No.164537
>>164513Amazing, and it still has ancient posts up
No.164538
Do the mods even look at the ban requests jannies submit, or do they just click approve? (Or whatever it is they do.)
No.164540
>>164539WHY is sophie being posted in gochiusa threads and are YOU by any chance the one posting her
No.164541
>>164513I remember the times when Tohno still used to post on /a/. Fuck I'm old
No.164548
>>164535>It's a bit of an aside but 4chan's largely in the position its administrator is crying aboutIt's almost as if I was talking about what some of the deleted posts were referencing. I don't know maybe leading off my first post with a reference to what I was speaking about wasn't obvious enough.
You're the one off in left field talking about AI, the Boogeyman of the day, instead of the matter that was being discussed, which was always about what Rapeape himself was crying over not whatever you feel like at the moment.
No.164550
>>164524And yet they can't harness it to actually do useful work to make board quality better while an adversarial person is able to implement it to a degree where he can kill the website. It's really just an investment issue at this point but I expect Hiro to have already have inklings of writing 4chan off completely since the April hack and it's just now wringing the last drops of water from the towel. Sure there are the other owners but if they won't do anything about the user decline and put in further investment, I doubt they will intervene now or in the future.
No.164551
>>164533Yep. I tried posting images but I couldn't, the site turned into a textboard this past hour. Now the captcha is unavailable.
No.164553
saw it
No.164554
>>164553wrote something in the wrong field and the embarrassment was killing me.
The cloudflare captcha seems to be working now, anyways.
No.164555
>>164554>wrote something in the wrong field and the embarrassment was killing me.cuute
No.164569
>>164548RapeApe was specifically crying that the FBI wasn't listening to his emails about CSAM "schizo spammers" who are all but confirmed to come from the "boogeyman of the day's" community, and whose IPs are farmed via AI chatbots, but since you pretend 4chan has no anti-bot security whatsoever (despite having the source code right there to read) you claim that comes out of left field
In short: Contrarian or retarded. Call it.
No.164571
>>164569If he was in charge for the last decade, with the site code being completely fucking out of date, it could indicate he is a retard with mod powers
No.164572
>>164571Nice deflection. contrarian it is.
No.164573
>>164572How many layers of irony do you think he's on?
No.164574
>>164573Contrarians will happily construct the most nonsensical narratives without a hint irony as long as it validates their buttock pain.
No.164576
>>164569I thought they pay for these proxies
No.164614
>>164576There's a premium account for his service.
I don't know how much those proxies count, but is he really raking in enough money to sustain that shit?
No.164674
Not really a happening since it's on twitter rather than an imageboard, but...
I've been reading rapeape's twitter rants. Pretty much lenghy gayergape tirades painting it as a Project2025-like master strategic campaing. "we waited until it was the right moment and now we have won."
At some point of 2025/10/27 it says something like the reason Moot would not allow GG on 4chan was that it was not economically viable in terms of legal defense after "The Fappening", rather than the classic hyphotesis of "moot was a traitor and a leftist, he was not one of us, he was friends with those evil women".
Is any of this verified, or just the usual absurd FanFiction these schizos love to spout?
No.164675
>>164674>all this bullshitRapedApe may be a worse retard than I thought. Explains the absolutely retarded moderation practices. Are all mods like this now? Is there no hope?
No.164677
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>>164675It seems to believe that 4chan and GG were the first step in a chain reaction that ended with the White House posting Halo memes and without them none of this would have happened.
I left 4chan in January thinking that after the elections and /v/ going full GitGud 2.0 in 2024 everything was going to get much worse. Like Getting drunk on your own cum and believe it's Jägermeister worse. And after catching up and spending October observing the place (and reporting tons of CP), maybe I was right.
Thank God (and V) for Kissu.
No.164678
>>164674iirc moot said something to that effect during his final Q&A
No.164679
>>164675What would happen if GayApe ever were to fuck off? I suppose that at this point the mod clique is full of retards. Although I have no idea who's next in the succession line. Only thing I know for sure is that Hiroyuki won't give a single fuck.
No.164680
what would happen if any site admin left... I guess 4chan has no supply of idiots. But Hiro would probably decide to shut it down than deal with them
No.164681
>>164678Watching the Q&A. Seems like he simply did not want to end with yet another fecal matter sprinkler out of control again and does not want to talk about gg, which is the smartest possible move when there are no good choices. But the mental gymnastic the purple monkey is doing right now... He's already getting roasted for attempting to spin GG as their own 4chan lifetime achievement. I wonder if Jim Watkins is assembling a crew to pay him a courtesy visit right now.
>>164680Sell to Elon Musk, rename it to Xchan, assemble a Department of Shitposting Efficiency and replace all the mods and janitors with Grok. And they would probably love it.
No.164686
>>164674You read his gamergate won tweet?
Can't make head of tails of what he was thinking. You can read all GG era #janiteam logs. RapeApe was the only one against it and he killed it because it was filling up the report queue
In fact, Mods protested. Not because they agreed with GG but because it meant they'd have a shitpostfest on their hands and they were fucking right. BTW: A month later, people were leaking moot's socials over GG. That's how luggageposting started.
I think RA's the type to selectively lie to get what he wants, and right now he wants the "right" to "win".
So he's nudging the GG narrative to be "we supported all long but we totally had 10 years of future sight on our lap and decided we had to wait for greener pastures".
This also comes hand to hand with saying completely retarded shit like "/pol/ memeflags exist because of
freedom of speech". No, memeflags were literal mod shitposts. You weren't even there to see them begin you r9k newfag.
I honestly believe he just forgot that it all leaked at some point and he has 0 leeway to lie.
>4chan was that it was not economically viable in terms of legal defense after "The Fappening",moot did say he spend several thousands in lawyers over the fappening. He did a bunch of interviews when he sold the site.
>rather than the classic hyphotesis of "moot was a traitor and a leftist, he was not one of us, he was friends with those evil women".This was a retarded conspiracy.
No.164688
>>164686moot was against it because it was just chanology again if i remember correctly
No.164689
>>164688moot was not even aware it happened and only opened #janiteam IRC like a week after the civil war had begun. Everything I read hints he was busy lawsuit-proofing 4chan.
No.164691
>>164686>You read his gamergate won tweet?Worse. I read his own follow replies where it gets weirder than the opening tweet. Then the other political ramblings, all the way down to August. The style is almost identical to every other twitter political content. It makes you wonder if he did not ask an LLM to write it for him.
If I were him, I would simply keep a low profile on the public internet. He can feel untouchable right now, but certain shit may come back to bite your ass in the future.
No.164692
Best part of RA's tweets are the unironic maidenless rants
No.164693
I love that wordfilter so much.
No.164694
>>164691>but certain shit may come back to bite your ass in the future.I mean he can say whatever shit he wants but NOT as the fucking official representative of 4chan. His twitter will likely get cited in the next mass shooting lawsuit or something.
No.164695
>>164692>>164693Was it "maidenless"? I'm not complaining because the word is tainted anyway.
No.164696
>>164695He's made several post going off about the dating market and how women should be shamed for being childless at 30
No.164700
>>164686Is RapedApe a newfag?
No.164707
started out in 2011 as an r9k janny. The pivot into /pol/shit is from this decade.
In his defense he was very likely behind the "bastion of free speech" modpost from long ago, but going from there to pretending to have intimate knowledge of every feature implemented in the early 10s is a stretch.
No.164708
>>164707>bastion of free speech>4chanchoose one lmao
No.164709
>>164707>"bastion of free speech" I can't even post sophie in the gochiusa thread without a schizo mod losing his spaghetti.
No.164710
schiz ween
No.164713
Happenings?
No.164715
>>164709Why are you trying to spam unrelated images in a thread you know is one of the worst generals in the first place?
No.164716
>>164715>spam>worst generalFuck off.
No.164717
>>164686I remember when he started being mentioned in mainstream publications as a /pol/ boogeyman or the online second coming of Hitler pupeteering a radicalisation operation from the shadows (I know, dramatised and exaggerated for clickbait purposes). It was like the root of all evil. But seeing him tweet like that, all the revolution being GarfieldGape again and winning the "war" by getting the government to post games AI slop... It's like unmasking the wizard of Oz and finding he's just a small guy
>His twitter will likely get cited in the next mass shooting lawsuit or something.Christ on a pogo stick. It's going to be fun if something bad happens, he takes the fall and the political commentators describe him as a radical antifa leftist running a CP gang.
>>164713There was a weird thread stickied in /v/ about skyrim achievements that seemed to really piss off people. Some say it was a honeypot for mass banning CSAM spammers.
No.164724
>>164681>I wonder if Jim Watkins is assembling a crew to pay him a courtesy visit right now.Josh (Fat faggot owner of KF) actually teamed up with Rapeape to litigate against the UKs Ofcom since they attempted to fine 4chan.
Letting any of the cancerous people involved in 8chan into 4chans affairs is a recipe for disaster, which I'm sure is definitely never going to happen and 4chan will remain impartial forevar (lol no).
No.164725
Ofcom needs to be seriously raped
No.164769
>>164717>It's going to be fun if something bad happensI agree if we're just talking about bystander observations but not for 4chan's future and one of the last "free" websites out there. It is already teetering on the edge especially as we near the end of this year and the fallout from the April hack. As people have opined, it won't take much for things to go wrong for Hiro and others to not want to deal with that shit and shut down the website when the income being generated vs damages caused shifting the ROI calculation of keeping the website online.
No.164771
I had a dream they hacked 4chan again.
No.164801
>midnight in Japan
>suddenly 15 or more new manga dump threads being made
>with no or little other threads in between if sorted by creation date
Is the anon I'm quoting right that manga dump and dailies threads are a mistake?
No.164818
>>164769Yeah, I was only focusing on the ironic side. Of course, the scary harsh reality is that if there's another shooting or they leak the piss tape while the mods are asleep, etc, Rapeape would just be collateral and 4chan the first big victim, with severe risk of consequences other chans.
Heck, I went back to check on SomethingAwful, and even there the mods have been on high alert since the 10th of September incident. Tons of "User was Probated/Banned for this Post" every time somebody celebrated it or asked for more.
No.164821
/pol/ would be so much better if American politics were banned, that shit is so one dimensional and boring, it attracts many troglodytes that only care about politics instead of having it as a side interest. These people are also very easy to bait so it creates a perpetual cycle where the only winners are shitposters and those too dumb to care.
No.164822
>>164821/pol/ should've never existed and m00t should've pulled what he did with /fur/ on them. I'll leave it at that.
No.164824
>>164691>The style is almost identical to every other twitter political content. It makes you wonder if he did not ask an LLM to write it for him.Twitter brain cancer is like 4chan brain cancer. The convergence to a similar endpoint is inevitable upon barebacked exposure
No.164825
>>164821>/pol/>but without politicsJust say politics should not be allowed on a hobby focused website, because politics are cancer.
Even if american politics has a special role with infecting everything and apparently mass destroying brain cells.
No.164827
>>164821It's a bit too late to do anything, sadly. The cancer has already spread to /v/, and /g/ has been getting even worse with the Omarchy and Xlibre drama. You know have one moron posting lunduke threads every day. It's like after the hack all most of the shit (politics, racism, lgbt hate, etc) moved from /v/ to /g/.
And going back to pseudo happenings, this managed to survive for 7 hours without mods acting:
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/107079338/ No.164828
>>164827Sorry about the typos. Can't write for shit when the pills for the insomnia finally kick in.
No.164829
>>164827>Xlibre dramaWhat about Xlibre? I only looked at it once and thought that I'll eventually have to use it. They have a legitimate goal.
No.164831
>>164825>>164830Thank you for proving my point.
No.164832
>>164831What point of yours did they prove exactly?
No.164833
>>164827>lundukeI know it's usually a schizo thing to say but he 100% makes those.
No.164834
>>164827>the archive linkHe can't be serious. How delusional is that absolute retard? There's nothing more psychotic than 4chan moderation standards.
No.164836
>>164834shout out to the mod who falsely banned me for GR1 and told me to get fucked in the IRC channel when i asked him to lift it
No.164839
>>164827/g/ has been bad for a couple of years now. I don't think people even discuss technology at this point. It's mostly just consumerism, culture war garbage, xitter threads, and people fighting over their favorite brands. Any good or interesting threads that are actually discuss technology get buried down. What a garbage site that is. I wouldn't consider it a hobby image board anymore. It's just another social media shithole.
No.164841
>>164839>couple of years At least a decade.
No.164842
>>164839Heh. Reminds me of the attempt some anons in /g/ did at resurrecting usenet. In a few channels the abandoned newsgroup they chose to squat moved from having 1-2 decent technology and classic web threads to getting filled with spam. Threads that were just a link to a youtube video or a shitter posts, typical useless soam like "N*gg*s tongue my anus" and "Your al fagets", Catbox.moe links without any description, and a "How long until L*t* comes here and starts spamming it with CP?"
And this is why we can't have nice things. Let's hope they stay contained there and don't spread to the Debian newsgroups (which are still very active).
No.164852
>>164842It's a shame that the only /g/ related altchan that really took off was Lainchan and even that's dead.
No.164853
>>164852I lurked Lainchan briefly and didn't vibe with it. I'm not smart enough to contribute to tech conversations, so I should just browse videocardz.com for hardware news or something.
No.164854
>>164852Lainchan is not super dead. I believe it has more activity than 7chan.
No.164855
>>164852Lainchan is nice for tech, I found some useful stuff but you kinda have to dig.
>>164854be the change you want to see
No.164856
>should've pulled a /fur/
Moot should've never deleted /new/ in the first place. A lot of what's wrong with /pol/ has its roots in 4chon.
No.164857
>>164400They've been working on wiping them fortunately. Also what the fuck is up with the Touhou threads disguised as CP spam threads? It's always one of those.
No.164858
>>164857Because mods deleted the touhou threads on /v/, they turned the threads into the circlejerk retarded shit they are nowadays. They could only exist through basically template /v/ threads but with a 2hu related image. Eventually someone got extremely mad that some template thread wasn't exactly the typical /v/ shit thread so they spammed all of their threads with CSAM. The result is that the mods just nuke any thread with a Touhou pic as OP.
At least that's what I gathered after wondering why the fuck these bunch of subhuman trash are now in 4/jp/
No.164883
I dread what 4chan will become in 5 years. Every thread will just be archive recycled garbage filled with AI bot posts just like reddit. If hiro doesn't do something drastic the site is done for.
No.164886
>>164883Bold of you to assume hiro cares
No.164900
>>164883Do you really think we haven't already arrived to that point? We're going on years now of people letting GPT bots run loose just to prove how easily they can sabotage with minimal evasion. Five years beyond whatever we're seeing now feels generous.
No.164908
I think the 2 minutes post timer is only to give jannies some breathing space when someone serial ban evades.
I for one am too lazy to use multiple proxies to shorten the waiting time between serial bans, so it's working.
No.164909
>>164888>funDiscussions mostly of defecating in diapers, intercourse with men of African descent, and thread celeb gossip isn't my idea of fun.
No.164919
>>164888fun would involve talking about touhou project and posting images we like about it, not the terrible schizophrenic posting that /v/tards have forced onto the board.
No.164944
Warning: drunk posting. This is probably retarded bullshit.
Some things just can't be saved. Could change admins, could change owners, maybe wipe the slate and start from scratch with new safer brand new code, and model it after Kissu or Wapchan...And it probably not be enough. It's more about what kind of users you want to have. Enforce the rules, make it clear that they exist, and we will have a case of psychological reactance that would make /b/ day look like a kindergaten brawl. If lucky, after a time of fighting and protesting they will opt to leave and move to another community. If unlucky, there will be a legion of assholes hellbent on destroying the site and "winning", rather than move with their life.
Sigh, sounds like ggamergate, then sharty again. Who knows if good code, good security and a good staff would be enough. There's still the mentioned problem of legal but shit quality content generated by bots. If there's nothing of value, few will want to come.
Other stuff: KW may have been gotten severely fucked by that guy. The one that floods everything with coconut pizza. That one.
No.164945
>>164852Huh. Checked the newsgroup again. Less spam, big threads focused on actual technlogy are starting to form, and some talk about "Lain-ifying" things a big and how they miss the place.
No.164948
>>164454I just mentioned grimes as a way to attack the mainstream because she gets mentioned a lot.
No.164949
>>164944At this point the decline has been going on for far longer than any sort of "golden age". Your advice may have worked before 2016, but once the site became known more for politics than general edginess, already a fall from it being know for anime, that sealed it's fate. It really should have stayed dead: now it's simply a zombie rotting away.
No.164950
>>164945They'll start working into bringing Xanadu to fruition
No.164955
Monetization isn
>>164949Yeah, thats why the opening line was "It can't be saved". An hyphotetical of what should be done, but the truth is that the best option is shutting down the servers and cover it with a sarcophagus. It's never going to work and all it's doing by existing is not letting the users move to the alternatives.
No.164957
>>164955Reminder that the other reactors of Chernobyl were kept online and produced energy for years.
It's kinda symbolic of 4chan.
No.164960
>>164959RapedApe will think he did a great job here because of muh free speech (== /pol/ cancer is allowed anywhere).
No.164961
>>164959/his/ has always been bad.
No.164962
>>164959That was my impression of it at least 3 years ago.
It was still a good board at times.
No.164963
>>164959I suspect /SCI/ must look pretty similar by now, complete with a frog holding a pair of craniometry calipers.
No.164964
>>163427>this doesn't even try to be an anime themed chanAnother criticism of kissu I have seen is that it is
too anime-themed and /a/-like.
No.164965
>>164959God I'm tired of -jaks in all their forms.
No.164966
>>164965Quite bizarre how normalf*gs think these drawings are so funny. They're pretty much like ragecomics at this point.
No.164967
>>164966They're probably the newest generation of ragecomics
From frogposting to wojaks to rare vances wonder what their next form will take
No.164968
>>164967I read this week about a proposal to stop using memes from the last years, go back to 2010 and start the meme evolution from there.
If that came from social media, It would be like going from cats to lolcats again.
No.164971
>>164959Man, what's been allowed to happen to /his/ and /sci/ in particular is a travesty. Exemplars of when moderation crosses over from gross negligence to genuine malice.
>>164961There's always been a lot of driveby trolling and nationalist shitflinging, yes, but it was at least usable before mods decided that literally spamming bait threads was A-OK for some godforsaken reason.
No.164975
>>164974still up (though on page 10) btw in case it wasn't clear
No.164977
>>164971Basically a religion board at this point, way too many discussions break the first rule
>>164974Lots of racebaiting over in it and IQ discussions. Just sad
/diy/ is still good though and /an/ too along with /trv/ /wsr/ /out/ /adv/(sometimes) and /o/(maybe, i don't check it much) are still alright i think
No.164981
>>164974The fuck. I have seen traditionally coded bots on Rizon that made more sense.
What I love about SomethingAwful? Posting AI outside of the containment threads or threadshitting /pol/ style is a guaranteed probation, then a ban after getting too many probes.
Pity the place is slowly dying (more due to natural mummification than cancer) and they don't have the balls to delete the /pol/-lite containment board either.
No.164983
>>164981I never used SomethingAwful because I think paying to use a forum is silly, but even if the site is better off post Lowtax, there's just too much legacy drama for it to truly recover. It'll probably continue for quite a while though, simply because of the strength of the name (not unlike 4chan in that regard)
No.164984
Rapeape killed 4chan
No.164987
>>164983The original reason for the entry fee was to keep the repeat offenders out and add actual consequences for bad actions. I guess 15-20 years ago it was more value for your money and there were a lot less free alternatives that could offer the same amount of content (and better moderation when Lowtax ended going full retard).
I haven't posted in a long time, but at least it feels comfortable to visit from time to time, knowing that I won't be seeing CSAM, frogs, or interracial scat porn, and spend some time chilling while reading a few threads.
And yes, the goons rejoiced the day Lowtax was removed, and rejoiced again when he pulled a Hitler.
No.164988
>>164977I think your mental model of /sci/ is several years out of date. IQ threads have been more or less dead for years, and the racebaiting is only a little more frequent than it was pre-covid.
The real problem has been that there's been 1 or 2 people persistently posting some fucked up form of demoralization in most threads every day for fucking years at this point. They stick out like a sore thumb (and their samefagging is somehow even more obvious, see
https://warosu.org/sci/thread/15826506 for example), but they're obnoxious and they never ever got banned (even though most of their posts show open disdain for the board topic hmmm I wonder if this can tell us something about the state of the board's moderation), so the people who had been posting in good faith slowly left.
Picrel, notice how it's under half of pre-covid numbers nowadays.
No.164992
>>164987>And yes, the goons rejoiced the day Lowtax was removed, and rejoiced again when he pulled a Hitler.I hope we will have this with RapedApe, one day...
No.165002
>>164968Naaah we need 1000 more Indian and Chinese soyjaks for... reasons.
No.165003
>>165002Soyjacks are the equivalent of a mass extinction event and having to repopulate the species by fucking your sister. One normie would look at the soys and the classic meme faces and say "They look the same", but fuck. Almost each one of the classics was based on an original drawing or person. The wojacks and malformed pepes are closer to those NFT apes. Drawing over the same template, never ever creating something from scratch.
It's fucking shit.
No.165004
>>165003>having to repopulate the species by fucking your sister.wtf I love soyjaks now
No.165006
>>165004I was referring to the limited gene pool and malformations that keep adding after generations of inbreeding, but uh. If it makes you happy.
Last post. This is getting too offtopic and unrelated to Happenings. There's enough material for a thread about history and evolution of imageboard/forums/internet culture beyond /qa/ if there was enough interest, though
No.165007
>>165003My favourite one was yaoming, I think it was based on a chinese football player.
No.165009
>>165007Yao ming played for the Houston Rockets
No.165011
>>164952Never got into it, but it was fun popping in and seeing the autism unfold.
I hope other OC threads like sitting Reimu are doing ok. Post-hack jaypee is very demotivating, but I can't help but check in for those diamonds in the rough.
No.165013
>>164968>go back to 2010 and start the meme evolution from there.wat
...I was thinking what would happen if people tried to go back to the 2000s and try to pick up from there. Since the current culture is a dead end I was thinking we could try and imagine what might have happened if things turned out differently. This was also to address the "people" who complain about the nostalgia and revivalism but
won't produce an alternative of their own. You can see this with the whole CRT shebabble.
The 2000s would be Year 0 and then you would try and build from there. (I think the 2010s could be included but you need to pick the good bits out of the morass.)
Instead of merely coopting the image of old things like hipsters did you would use old things to make something new.
So you would do things like try and jerryrig Windows 98/00/XP into the modern era, or at least you would try and make them work in a niche somehow.
Or you would take old anime artsyles and iterate upon them instead of rehashing.
Or you would make PC98 games, Genesis games, PSX games, PSP games, or whatever.
Because that's what actually happened back then. Trying to find new ideas.
Or you could rehash or stick with old things if you want because at the end of the day who cares? What matters is the interest is authentic.
In the higher world of ideas they are all equally valid. There's no inherent difference beyond the ones you project. It's only down here where they become subject to the whims of differentials.
It's only because of the immaterial we have all these material things.
I was thinking of doing it myself but a bunch of the old hardware I used back then is gone. It wouldn't feel the same. After all for me the whole idea was revival in a very real sense. Sort of like a middle finger to death, decay, this entire world. Instead of moving forward into slavish dystopia or backward into the ignorant cruelty and abomination of nature, you would move in a perpendicular direction.
I might it do it later or I might not. I don't know.
But this was a personal idea. I've never told anyone about this and I never planned, the only reason I mentioned now is because it was weird to see the current reflected in other people.
All said,
the Nostalgia will never go away.
(related)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1NLh4PCsUUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iOFTbgDiHw No.165025
>>165013It was something a bunch of idiots on youtube or tiktok said, and it appeared on the newspaper kt fill half a page. So just don't think much about it. They are the kind of people that only see things regurgitated to them and don't know shit. It probably was more about how the mainstream has ended sharing AI slop and everything is political now.
No.165032
>>164959>e board being so ripped over is depressing to be a witness to honestly.8 years to late my friend. /his/ tried to be a real board but there was never enough jannies to clean the place up. letting the religion schizos in with "& Humanities" did not help at all
No.165033
>>164974/sci/ was always a ridiculously shitposty place. Bunch of math students extremely hostile to anything too different from their usual dozen threads.
No.165034
It's not about the topics, but about the site culture being "anyone can join" and not showing any sort of standards on what decorum is allowed
No.165044
>>165034Join a forum for that purpose, anonymity by definition requires unbarred discussion. You can never expect otherwise.
No.165045
>>165044>anonymity by definition requires unbarred discussionNTA but that is simply not a universal truth, anonymous platforms have as much the right as any other place to enforce certain quality standards, though I do agree this doesn't mean you can expect it to be respected. For example, I can choose to allow video game console discussion, but ban obviously malicious posts related to console wars, with the reason being that there's a difference in discussing opposing viewpoints and mindlessly venting your anger at a different group or person.
No.165046
>>165044>>165045It's significantly harder without recognizable influential members of the community, but not impossible to set standards for discussions. The things necessary for that are actual consensus of the majority (assuming there's no flood of newcomers who don't know or care how things were being done) and effective moderation culling out obvious bad actors (there's gray area there because there can be good takes that seem bad because they go against the grain, and there's potential for organized bad actors being sneaky, but the latter can be as harmful to spaces that aren't anonymous).
No.165063
Moderators are goon bullshit that never should have been grafted onto my pure nippon channeru in the first place.
The best 4chan ever got is when moot's little cabal of faggots were so thoroughly overwhelmed by the userbase exploding that 4chan de facto operated like a real chan for a few years.
No.165077
>>165063They're still overwhelmed. Just that they cherry-pick extremely specific things they don't like, like schizos.
No.165079
>>165045>rightthat's a "should be". not an "is"
User-facing anonymity comes with mechanical functions that encourage specific behaviors. You can fight against the current all you want, but in the end you are the frog hoping the scorpion will not bite you.
If this is genuinely how you feel, I don't think that deep down you like imageboards as a concept. You want an account system and permanent punishment for misbehaviour, just with anonymity on the surface.
>my pure nippon channeru in the first place. 2ch had 300 jannies at it's peak
2chan was infamous for they nazi mods, but they eventually enacted literal deletion-by-downvoting because the admin couldn't ass himself to expand the moderation team.
No.165080
If you wanted something deleted off of 2ch you were better off going to the police. What they had is in no way comparable to a western forum mod or the janitor mutant hybrid.
Most of what people know about futaba being anal retentive deletionists bubbles from 2channers themselves pointing out the contrast with their own site. And even then it's about crying to the admin (if it's really and old source at this point) which I'm sorry crying to the sysop is nowhere near the same person or job a vBulletin moderator represents.
No.165081
I don't get concern trolling about moderation ruining the purity of imageboard culture or whatnot on Kissu of all places. What do you think this will accomplish, exactly?
No.165082
I verbally report all of the posts I don't like to the CEO of America himself.
No.165086
>>165080>If you wanted something deleted off of 2ch you were better off going to the police.if you wanted something sensitive deleted. And the site complied more often than not, and it varied from board to board. news4vip had FOX being a famous ban happy mod. To argue problem users were not moderated is disingenuous.
>>165081>What do you think this will accomplish, exactly?Generating discussion?
I see people are arguing for both extremes of moderation on imageboards, it is fascinating.
No.165092
>>165086>I see people are arguing for both extremes of moderation on imageboardsI prefer less moderation than more, but there is a line that separates someone calling others retarded nigger faggots while discussing something from someone actively sabotaging discussions with inane garbage. The problem is that the line isn't always clear and there is no easy solution.
No.165093
I dunno, I find it pretty easy to separate the genuine from the well-poisoning.
No.165095
>To argue problem users were not moderated is disingenuous.
To draw a false equivalence between what was for the most part purely removing outright spam and defacing of the site while letting everything else ride short of a police officer's nudging and the outright western spermery of the USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST glad handing committee, to me that's completely disingenuous. They're self evidently different animals.
2channers don't arrive at the cultural perception of Toshiaki being cliquish pearl clutchers because their site is moderated in the vein of a western forum. You arrive at that perception because you think of your own site as anarchic in comparison.
And in the days before (Del)'s automation when 4chan actually branched off of 2chan, what you had was a culture of meta threads absolutely screaming for the intervention of the sysadmin. What you didn't have was a culture of top down moderation in the vein of a western forum. To this day in stark contrast to 4chan, 2chan is populist as fuck.
No.165096
>>165079>User-facing anonymity comes with mechanical functions that encourage specific behaviorsI think so, too, though I think it depends on the platform whether said encouragement is a direct suggestion or just an accidental byproduct that comes with anonymity.
>I don't think that deep down you like imageboards as a conceptI'm going to assume that you believe this because you see 100% unrestricted conversation (perhaps aside from illegal content) as a must-have for imageboards or anonymous platforms in general, which is something I don't agree with and believe is up to webmasters to decide.
>You want an account system and permanent punishment for misbehaviour, just with anonymity on the surfaceMake no mistake, I never mentioned what I personally want imageboards to be, just that I disagree with the notion that unbarred discussion is a staple for the "genre". I can see why someone would think of user-facing anonymity as pointless if a place still enforces certain behavioral rules, but there are other benefits to the system and even just one as small as not having to register to partake in a conversation in my eyes justifies its existence.
No.165097
>>165095> and the outright western spermery of the USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST glad handing committee, to me that's completely disingenuous. They're self evidently different animals.Seems to me you are deliberately mixing up western forums with western imageboards to discredit the latter.
Site mechanics overrule any culture. There's no difference between western and eastern imageboards on the behavioral level. The discrepancy come from administration practices.
2ch was an idiot bin because hiroyuki considers quality control a waste of time (likely, a "sissyphean effort") and pretends it's because freeze peach just to keep appearances. That didn't mean you didn't have MODERATOR CIRCLEJERKS going on, because he also considered keeping his jannies in check a waste of time. Case in point: FOX on vip. Fun fact: 4chan actually punishes mods who do this, specially since moot and his clique left.
2chan's admin was a lazy cunt that eventually just let what he believed was populist bandwagons dominate --> but what he actually did was let off-site chatroom cabals destroy the spirit of anonymous discussion by running little raids 24/7. Which happens on 4chan too, and the mods fight them off all the time (except /trash/, /bant/ and /s4s/ the designated cabal boards)
As for 4chan, 80% of all USER WAS ABANNED FROM THIS POST on 4chan in the last 15 years descend directly from populist showoff, mostly for the /a/ centric mods' obsession with site tradition that /a/ defends to their dying breath. It's not "top-down", it's "bottom-up". You didn't have a genuine "top down moderation" since snacks was fired for attentionwhoring his radio show. A year after that asan and moot started ranting about invisible moderation and blending with the userbase. A minority of today's red text comes from a piece of protocol few know unless they spoke with a mod: public bans for impersonation.
Honestly, no big IB admin gave a shit about how imageboards work. Asan was the only person to understand IBs on a technical level, he cared much more than hiro and karinrin, but he was too much of a weirdo to put his ideas to coherent writing.
No.165098
inb4 swaglord / nana / cygnus
"Designated cabal board" applies to mods too.
No.165099
>>165097>destroy the spirit of anonymous discussion by running little raids 24/7And this is why 2chan fell out of relevance by like, 2009.
No.165100
So where can I find the actual imageboard happenings thread?
No.165103
>>165100These threads kind of have a history of imageboard meta talk that isn't directly related to a specific happening. If a happening happens then discussion can go back to that. It doesn't seem like it's eclipsing anything at the moment.
No.165118
>>165097Man, the death of s4s really hurts me. It was a stupid little board but it had it's moments.
No.165135
>>165103all I want is some imageboard news but it's just people losing their shit over some kuso boards on 4chan, and discussing a bunch of other unrelated meta shit with barely any mentions of any other chans besides kissu's little friend group which also gets overshadowed by the 4chan discussion. Idk used to be I was able to find a bunch of other cool boards through this thread a while ago but I barely read any of it now.
No.165136
>>165135Not our fault the IB scene keeps shrinking. Even the bald men sites are.
Appreciate what you have right now because I'd be surprised if any of this is still standing past 2030.
No.165137
>>165135Yeah, I hate the 4chan discussion too. But the truth is most sites don't have that much drama going on... You can go to some meta threads of the webring sites, they don't tend to talk about 4chan.
No.165146
One could say a lull in the happenings thread is a good sign for peace on imageboards
No.165149
>>165135but i like kissu's little friend group!
No.165151
>>165146You could even describe it as the calm before the storm
No.165152
>>1651364chan needs to go down again, simple as
No.165153
>>165152Permanently.
Which leads to an interesting question. How would all of you feel if/when 4chan finally kicks the bucket? I'd probably shed a tear for all the good memories. But otherwise good riddance.
No.165154
>>165153Why do shartyfags want to see 4chan to die so bad?
No.165155
>>165153I never used 4chan, so I don't care. I'll be happy because that place sucks, but sad because the containment chamber would be down and the userbase spread around other sites contaminating them.
No.165157
>>165153Basically the same as
>>165155. I wouldn't mind it disappearing for how crap it is, but I can't help but feel worried about the idea of such a large force on the internet disappearing (even if it never does anything) and having more bad apples spread to places like Kissu.
No.165158
>>165153I will miss the regulars in the /v/playan thread, and I will feel sorry for the imageboard users that are stuck with 4tard immigrants incapable of assimilating into the host culture.
No.165159
>>165153I would be indifferent. 4chan userbase would migrate off of a single imageboard with one japanese owner to countless imageboards with one russian owner.
No.165161
>>1651534chan is like a clinically braindead relative on life support. It feels bad things got this way, but at this point you had already lost everything that mattered about them (other than distant good memories) and death means you can move on for good.
>>165154The only concrete thing I can think of is spite towards RapedApe's gang for shutting down their old home. I know they despise 4chan oldfags and otaku culture in general, but I don't know enough of their lore to know why exactly.
No.165162
>>165153I have a feeling that the number of anons leaving to other imageboards would be a minority compared to those who would just go to reddit or twitter
No.165164
>>165153Sad, and annoyed because I'll have no good news aggregator for my hobbies, since *every* other mainstream platform sucks 50 dicks.
But I'm also old enough to understand that as soon as 4chan dies, a new central hub of imageboards will replace it. May be 8ch moe because it sure as hell wont be the shartfags, they don't do hobby boards.
No.165165
>>165162Isn't this exactly what happened during the outage?
No.165166
>>165164it will probably be 8moe just because of the name & lack of oversight.
No.165167
>>165166Nearly everyone went there because they remembered 8chan from GG, iirc
No.165168
>>165167Hell, a lot of anons even went to 7chan because of the old 2007 outages
No.165169
>>165166cakechan is a honeypot and is only populated by derranged schizos and mexicans (for some reason)... Most users went to sleepychan or smuglo, there was a lot of drama with mark, the cakechan admin
No.165170
>>165169all the infinity successors suck. just happens that mark has the best infrastructure.
No.165171
>>165153Would make for an interesting time since thousands of users would flock to these smaller imageboards.
4chan itself dying would be a bad thing. For a shit as some of its boards are it does have a lot of good on it.
No.165172
>>165169hispachan went down and that's why there's so many of them there. they even have CSS to make it look like that IB.
i'll give you that it's definitely populated by schizos that got banned from 4chan
No.165173
I would also argue that if 4chan had an abrupt death, even if a site ended up with a larger share of the refugees, there would never be a monolithic imageboard containing posters of all kinds in one site like 4chan.
Most of /v/ and a good chunk of the more popular boards like /a/, and /vt/ would go to 8moe. /pol/ would be split into going to 8moe and sharty.
Most of /jp/ and also a good chunk of /a/ would go to Kissu, sleepychan, Wapchan, 39chan and Tohno.
The retro side of /a/ and /vr/ would go to Wapchan.
/g/ would go to Lainchan
Sports-related boards and /fit/ would likely go back to forums like the bodybuilding forum.
And of course, a fuckton would go back to reddit and twitter. Hell, likely also even tumblr.
Honestly, I argue that it'd be a good thing, it makes the internet less centralized and more compartmentalized like it used to be 10 years ago. True hobbyists would know where to go to genuinely discuss the topics they're passionate about.
No.165175
>>165173We kinda had that happen in April. The only exception I can think of is /g/ and perhaps /vr/. No idea where they went. Lainchan felt pretty dead.
No.165176
>>165173Additionally, western anonymous imageboard culture in general would change. Most other imageboards aside from 4chan work with actual website coding that's not sustained from 15 year old m00t's hopes and dreams. Threads archive later than in 4chan, some imageboards let you post more than one picture which makes imagedump threads like the /a/ manga readalongs last longer, most let you post videos with sounds and the file size limit is higher than 4MB. I'd say posters in general would be far more relaxed since they would no longer have to deal with severely outdated website spaghetti code.
>>165175Yeah, but everyone knew it'd eventually be back. I'm talking 4chan being nuked permanently without recovery either by closing or the administration doing something that just causes everyone to flee. As for /g/ and /vr/, I definitely saw a good bunch of them in Wapchan and a small uptick in Lainchan. I wonder where /lit/ ended up.
No.165177
It's so demoralizing when they demonstrate their arbitrary moderation HARD.
I'm sick of this.
No.165178
>>165176The most important thing: no stupid captcha or 4chan gold pass to post. Seriously... what sane man use a (((imageboard))) where you need to wait 15 minutes to post??
No.165179
>>165178Ever since they got hacked for being retards, they changed it to 2 minutes for the first post in a thread. Then it's 1 minutes. If you want to post in another thread, the timer resets to 2 minutes. All for the first hour of posting with a cookie/IP or so.
No.165180
I don't really want 4chan to die (not the tiny little good parts that remain on my home boards), but I guess even I will be relieved when this nightmare is over.
No.165181
You're jaded.
No.165183
>>165181What does that mean?
No.165184
>>165183you are a jade beauty
No.165185
>>165173/jp/ would probably end up here if not Tohno. Sleepychan doesn't exist anymore, 39chan is strictly a Vocaloid site and they hate crossboarders, and Wapchan has more of a focus on anime.
As for sportsfags, the bodybuilding forum you mentioned no longer exists but Wapchan does have a sports board. Rotting Angels used to have one too but after that methhead started spamming the site rads lost interest in it and shut it down.
No.165186
>>165173>True hobbyists would know where to go to genuinely discuss the topics they're passionate about.true hobbyists wouldn't need a community
No.165191
>>165186>Have interest in a hobby in current year>Visit hobby-related community>The community has a mix of fake fans, hipsters, furries, children, and people who brag about being part of a minority group.>It keeps talking about politics, user-related drama, or just keep posting garbage that they find on "social" media.>It doesn't work together to make a hobby better.>Ask question about something related to the hobby in order to find some useful resources that guide me towards my goal.One of my examples being: "Where can I find mods for the retail version of Half-Life? (or as they like to call Half-Life WON"
>My question gets barely any attention and one guy complains about my question saying why I'm trying to reach this goal of mine.>I burn out, leave the community and/or close my accountYeah, screw that. Or at least stick with a small friend group.
No.165195
>>165191>one guy complains about my question saying why I'm trying to reach this goal of mineI can't even begin to put into words just how much I hate those people and the fact that I still have to read them almost daily when I'm searching up a specific question. Just answer the damn question or ignore it.
No.165197
>>165191Also, since your post is genuine, just in case you haven't seen this yet I feel the need to warn you that greentexting is frowned upon here and usually only used for direct quotes. For everything else there is
¥ yentexting No.165200
>>165186okay, this was edgy to say. you still can get use out of communities but they're always secondary to the activity, discussion is tertiary
I'm not saying anything new. nevermind, kissu
No.165202
>>165183He threw a jade at you.
No.165211
Not a lot going on in terms of Happenings, other than RapedApe's full transition into Twitter attention whore / political "commentator", as his writing skills keep degrading into Elon Musk territory to a point he may have developed early onset dementia or schizophrenia (he hasn't, but I wish it was true).
No.165212
>>165211Did he post more shit?
No.165215
>>165212It's not like he posted shit, but that he tagged FBI accounts on the shitpost. Well, more like the account of that clown that always looks like he attempted a stealth fart and ended with a brown surprise.
Same pattern as previous posts, like he wants to be noticed by the government and dreams to be chuddies with them.
I'm not sure if we should mention what he does outside of 4chan unless it explicitly refers to imageboards or avoid it entirely. We are not KiwiFarms, after all.
No.165216
>>165215Why not? He's basically a public person. Or wants to be one. It's like a Steve Jobs or Elon Musk, downscaled to the size of a moldy apple in the final stage.
No.165217
>>165216If it doesn't have to do with imageboard happenings, then it's not an imageboard happening. RapeApe posting on twitter that he loves shoving logs up his ass is not an imageboard happening, but if he posts something explicitly related to 4chan then it is.
No.165218
>>165215>I'm not sure if we should mention what he does outside of 4chanHow would you even know that?
No.165219
>>165218Outside of 4chan = Twitter. The first rants were at least related to 4chan (CP reporting, gamergate), but he's starting to go off the rails now.
No.165220
>>165217No mentions from now onwards. The only reason I knew about this is that every time he goes full retard, they create a post about it on 4chan as a way of saying "This is the idiot running the site you love". This time the staff acted faster to delete the thread than the last time.
No.165221
>>165197Sorry about that. I'm not that much of a frequent poster but I'll keep that in mind from now on.
No.165222
>>165215>he wants to be chuddies with themOr he already is. Either with a badge or just an informant. They've definitely made a "deal" with him
No.165223
>>165216Of course it matters. When talking about xitter, you also talk about Musk's other projects and what he says politically, right?
No.165225
>>165224Which places can I talk about the owner of the most important imageboard if not in a thread about stuff concerning imageboards?
No.165226
>>165225Probably the one with the hairy fruits, or a discord, IRC or whatever, but not here. Unless what he posts outside of 4chan is relevant to 4chan or imageboards, it would fall under the "do not import external drama" rule.
No.165227
>>165225FYI, hiro is the owner. The people most interested in a 4chan manager's political spiels would probably be on 4chan itself.
A good way to find active discussions for subjects on 4chan is to use the search feature that not many people know about: (WARNING thumbnails may be NSFW)
https://find.4chan.org/?q=rapeape https://find.4chan.org/?q=4chan+twitterI think there are better ways to refine the search, but I can't remember them. It doesn't seem to use the "OR" argument.
No.165229
>>165224>but expecting tolerance towards twitter gossip is too much.it ain0t twitter gossip, RA is crying because the law is not answering his call about the illegal porn spammers
oh yeah the moe mods on /v/ announced they want help dealing with a pizza spam problem too just a couple days ago.
No.165233
>>165229Speaking of that, PSA: careful with the /g/ archive today (the one set in 4chanX). I was doing a search of deleted opening posts, and it was just CP images, not even deleted low quality spamming or "normal" porn. Must be a pretty bad day.
No.165234
>>165233lmao don't open the /v/ archive then.
shit's fucked. never in my almost 20 years in IBs i've seen something like this
No.165238
>>165221That's completely fine, don't worry at all. I was mentioning it so that you won't get turned off if you do ever encounter the "who quote" gag and hopefully stick around!
No.165239
>>165227>FYI, hiro is the owner. No. He's just a name on the paper. The headmod controls the site and its policies.
No.165240
>>165229moe's mods are lucky that their spam mostly seems to be clothed """"""child models"""""" in a single thread that pisses off some schizo
No.165241
>>165240Moe = 8chan.moe?
Sorry, I'm a bit out of the loop and I don't know the current chans.
No.165243
>>165241I assumed that's what he meant. So far they responded by just throwing more jannies at it.
No.165245
>archives are in trouble again
What if you traversed the boorus and imageboard archives and created a blake2b hash table of all images that are not deleted after X amount of time? You could sort the database with quicksort/mergesort and it's just a very efficient binary search lookup after that. You could supplant it with a perceptual hash database too and auto approve images with a very close match to pre-approved perceptual hashes; though this is not as secure as a cryptographic hash.
In real time imageboard administration, you could hash every incoming image and look up if there is a match in the database. If there is, post is automatically approved. If there is no match, image won't not displayed until a janitor or mod approves, or approval could be augmented by a community poll. Posters with a history could approve images and make them visible to everyone. After approval, image hash could appended to the database. Better if there is collaboration between imageboards to expand this database.
Thoughts?
No.165246
>>165245>pre-censorshipWho wants a 1984 imageboard?
No.165247
>>165246the sharteens, actually
No.165248
>>165247I heard they actually do that. They're deranged schizo freaks who raid other imageboards (perhaps even by posting CP) so it makes sense.
No.165249
>>165246Do you have any better ideas to allow every proxy under sun and still have no CSAM anywhere on your imageboard? I thought about a pseudo-account system with zero-knowledge blinded proofs (anonymous authentication basically) for known-good pre-approved posters too but you will levy the same criticism again.
No.165250
So you want to discuss twitter and rapeape complaining and you're also a free speech absolutist that decries people taking action against illegal content as "censorship". I'm very close to purging this thread of your cancer before it metastasizes as I recognize this song and dance.
No.165251
>>165249> I thought about a pseudo-account system with zero-knowledge blinded proofs (anonymous authentication basically) for known-good pre-approved posters too but you will levy the same criticism again.That is a good idea.
>>165250Yeah right, just because I don't want a system where I have to wait for any post to get approved by a mod I'm "defending CP". God damn how much more of a bad faith retard can you be. Are you an admin or mod here who stalks my post? Maybe you can point out where I'm being a free speech absolutist, or where I'm actually against anyone taking action against illegal content? This is libel.
No.165252
Also pretty funny to lash out against me, while other posters are essentially posting instructions where to find CP.
No.165253
Any sort of hashing is useless and trivial to defeat. Honestly I would never host an IB myself. I wanted to before but I think I'd rather host a textboard at this point
No.165254
>>165253There are image hashes that are resistant against various transformations and cropping. You probably get get pretty far, even if they can beat it by trying hard enough.
what 4chan does is laughable anyway. They use the md5 of the image, so it only takes changing a pixel to circumvent the block.
No.165255
>>165254I think there's a perceptual hash check too.
No.165256
>>165255I heard it was some "AI" NSFW detection.
No.165257
>>165253It's a whitelist approach, not a blacklist approach. Opposite of what 4chan does
>>165254 and nobody is breaking a 512-bit cryptographic hash.
No.165258
>>165257Your database will always be outdated, too small, and there isn't even a guarantee that none of the sources you want to scrape for hashes of supposedly safe images are accidentally illegal content. They're probably also going to block you if you mass-scrape them.
You'll practically end up with a system that requires approving most images posts. Maybe even text posts, because they could just spam links to illegal content.
No.165259
>>165253Heuristics work but it's a full time job.
No.165260
>>165258It shouldn't be too outdated as I will be scraping on a daily basis, though of course I have incorporated throttling so my database will not be in real time, but this scraping process has to be done only once as I will be sharing my database with zero strings attached. It's not more taxing than a single user clicking every image only once.
I already have scraped close to half of a booru and a small portion of the archives and nobody raised a stink about it yet so I figure my throttling helps a lot.
If I have to approve a lot of things that's fine. This just speeds up the approval process in case someone is just reposting an image from a source I trust. Filtering links is much simpler than what I am doing with images.
No.165273
Just to add fuel to the fire and to be the bearer of more bad news, even if I don't want to discuss the board's topic at hand here, 4chan's /vt/ out of all boards has started to get AI posts where the content of a post is short and inane shit about X vs Y. The OP image is run through AI to transfigure the OP pictures to do shitposting to circumvent hash and other detection techniques.
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/106557670/https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/106590008/I don't quite understand why they are doing this as opposed to algorithmically corrupting the image in certain places instead but there might have been some sort of shift in the background of how images are being detected for shitposting and etc. and that might have started this shift to using AI over other types of image to keep posting images. But in any case, this bodes quite badly for the state of things if this is occurring.
No.165274
>>165273>over other types of imageover other types of image manipulation techniques
Of course, this could be explained by someone extremely lazy who can't be arsed to do basic image editing but I highly doubt that, even open source image editing AI models will try and keep details consistent if you asked it to do cropping and etc.
No.165275
>>165273when you abuse the rules, being ostentatious is a bonus for style points
No.165282
>>165273This shit is why I was so heavily against vtubers being a welcome discussion in 4chan. I don't have any strong opinion about vtubers but I knew that at one point it'd just devolve into console war-like shitholes (my e-celeb is better than your e-celeb) and now it has reached the point of AI-made bait threads.
I'd also argue it's the same with politics, but more organized groups have set up bots to be more subtle while also agitating users.
I'm now starting to wonder if the botnet surrounding 4chan is far more big than people think.
No.165292
>>165282to be fair, in this specific case it's the result of a large part of the board's userbase (the parts less predisposed to the console war stuff specifically) migrating to greener pastures after the hack
No.165293
>>165273Also, this reminds me of one of the first times a massive bot malfunction happened in 4chan back in 2021
https://archived.moe/qst/thread/4647069 No.165296
>>165293Screenshot please? I can't access this...
No.165297
Let me guess
¥ adversarial ai training with a reward function geared towards maximum user engagement, topic derailment, narrative building, and user demoralization
¥ simply shutting the website down would disperse the users into smaller imageboards of which there is plenty
¥ so the appropriate intervention is to flood the conversation with meaningless ai diarrhea,
make users gradually lose interest and leave for big tech platforms
Makes sense why only some "shitposters" are operating with complete impunity from any moderation.
No.165300
>>165293doesn't look like a bot but like a thread bombing script picking posts from an archive.
No.165301
>>165297Or it's someone trying to game the IP trust system.
No.165302
>>165300So like >>162212 (
https://archive.ph/cd3lv ) but poorly aimed?
No.165323
>>165319i got bans for this on
/trash/ several times. it's completely random.
No.165326
>>165319From what I kept reading in /jp/, the /vt/ mods are absolute dogshit and are even paid by big vtubing companies to promote threads that shit on other vtuber companies so they might even go as far as allowing AI-made shitpost threads in the catalog.
Apparently /vt/'s PPM never recovered to pre-hack levels. I'm not surprised if what I read is true, and from what I see, it feels like one big anonymous subreddit.
No.165327
>>165326>it feels like one big anonymous subreddit.Isn't all of the site like that?
No.165328
Anyone who can compare 4chan to another social media site obviously uses said social media site...
No.165331
>>165326>From what I kept reading in /jp/, the /vt/ mods are absolute dogshitThat doesn't differentiate them from mods on the other boards.
Mods are site wide anyway.
No.165334
>>165326>Apparently /vt/'s PPM never recovered to pre-hack levels.I can't confirm now, but when the charts for it were on 4stats, the post-hack dip was one of the biggest among all boards.
>>165327Yeah, it's not even "Reddit but you can say nigger" anymore.
No.165348
>>165326>it feels like one big anonymous subreddit.not enough fake outrage
No.165380
>>165326>and are even paid by big vtubing companies to promote threads gee i sure hope that doesn't happen anywhere else haha especially on /v/ or /pol/ that would be bad
No.165389
>>165326From what i've heard a huge chunk of /vt/ moved to Holotower
No.165390
>>1653898moe also managed to retain quite a bit. 112 PPH is quite good for a small board.
No.165394
>>165390>112 PPHwas momentarily suprised until i remembered we were talking about tuberfags
yeah i guess that's not so surprising then
No.165395
>>165394There should be a better measure of organic activity.
Something like unique word sequences per hour, percentage of posts per hour that contain new images, or percentage of posts that receive replies to which the original poster replies back. Or some weighted combination of those.
No.165396
>>165384Posting a screencap and saying "I agree with this" should be a bannable offense.
No.165403
>>165384I think we urgently need to establish some ground-truths with we crosscheck incoming information and adopt some habits of mental hygiene such as default to null: The mental motion of “I didn’t really understand that post, or it didn't make too much sense to me, but sure, whatever, I’ll take the author’s word for it” is, in my experience, absolutely identical to “I didn’t really understand or couldn't relate to that text because it was bot-generated and didn’t make any sense so I couldn’t possibly have parsed it”, except that in the first case, I assume that the error lies with me rather than the text. This is not a safe assumption in a post-GPT world. Instead of “default to humility” (assume that when you don’t understand a passage, if it doesn't make sense in the context of your pre-established ground-truths and expectations of how a normal person should behave, but the overall message seems genuine and you’re just missing something) the ideal mental action in a world full of bots is “default to null” (if you don’t understand a passage, reflexively discard the message and assume you’re in the same mental state as if you’d never read it at all.)
No.165404
>>165403TN: "lol wut" means "lol bot"
No.165412
>>165410are people just retarded? it's still a 6 char captcha.
No.165420
>>165403I reread something until I understand it or understand why it's nonsense.
No.165421
>>165410I don't even get this when I serial ban evade to taunt a certain schizo mod. It's hilarious how these things only affect potential normal users.
No.165423
>>165412it's an ever so slightly higher hassle, something that sadly people aren't very equipped to deal with these days. (Seriously try getting the average normie gamer to install a game + mods on anything but Steam even with clear written instructions
they won't.)
Hell, I shouldn't be throwing stones I'm nowhere near the level of the technomancers I see around here
No.165424
>>165412Normally these come with a slider too. Don't know why retards like you defend them.
No.165429
>>165410I don't know. I find that one easier than the standard slider. It's easier to align using "only type", and it always asks the exact thing: letters with circles above.
If it started asking for letters with white or black circles, or alternating between circles and dashes, that's when it would get hard.
>>165421At first I thought I was getting it because I block the access to the HTML5 canvas data, but now I'm wondering if they turn it on globally on weekends during peak hours to slow down the posting flow and give the staff more time to act, as once it's Monday I get the normal captcha again, then "No captcha required".
No.165433
>>165423>it's an ever so slightly higher hassle, something that sadly people aren't very equipped to deal with these days. (Seriously try getting the average normie gamer to install a game + mods on anything but Steam even with clear written instructions they won't.)That's my point. It isn't a hassle unless you have extreme sight problems. Even the slider is not a problem because the circled letters are not even guaranteed to be in the slider.
No.165442
>>165326It never should have been made into a board. Not because I can't stand tumors but because everything that had been said over the decades on /tv/ or /v/ about not having a youtube/eceleb board applies directly to why /vt/ existing is a terrible idea.
The last time 4chan had anything resembling /vt/ the mods took a fucking hammer to old /cgl/. I guess that lesson's been forgotten or they think in the era of 200 mods and janitors this time they can catch it before it spills into real world crimes. Personally I think the board isn't worth that dice roll in the least.
No.165445
>>165442>real world crimeswut
Thing is, /vt/ and gachas represent like 30% of the site's total activity. And it was literally killing other topics. There's no containing that.
No.165452
>>165424It did come with a slider though
>>165429>If it started asking for letters with white or black circlesIt did though... look at the screenshot
>>165433I want to make it clear, I've never had a problem with the captcha myself (though then again I like my threads nice and slow) but I have seen an extreme amount of bitching about it (though granted that was around when the hack happened so everyone was in a retrospective criticizing mood)
No.165461
>>165446I used to lurk and post in denpa threads for a while.
No.165464
>>165403I am assuming that state with your post. I had a writing style like yours before. Readers aren't a compiler
No.165471
>>165470who are you quoting
No.165472
>>165471I was supposed to quote
>>165452. I had a problem with the image and deleted the original post
I probably should hide this thread. I know it's impossible, but I'm afraid of relapsing into checking 4chan daily, or even worse, end posting there again. That shit is not good for my head.
No.165476
>>165472instructions for quitting 4chan forever
- purchase a shiny new Tesla Model Y from tesla.com
- get your phone charger and some snacks
- hop in car
- set the destination to the other side of the country
- repeatedly shitpost and ban evade throughout the ride
- since you're driving past different cell towers you will eventually get a new ip block and evade local rangebans
- rinse and repeat until you get the entire country rangebanned
addiction solved :)
No.165477
>>165476Dumb post. Most "range bans" aren't even real range bans, just cookie/UA/TLS based bans, easy as fuck to bypass.
No.165478
>>165476So you're the one that got me rangebanned for the first time ever since 2010, the west has truly fallen'ded
I only use 1 thread though. I guess it's kinda addicting, if I'm bored enough, to check what other stupid shit is going on. But it's too much ragebait everywhere for me to wanna post
No.165485
/x/ is freaking the fuck out because some Wisconsin hillbilly found a UAP, livestreamed himself drilling into it, and died live.
No.165486
>>165485Seems like it's been contained into a thread general but the catalog featured 6 threads at once about it.
No.165487
>>165485Link to the main thread? Dont feel like browsing /x/ but that sounds kinda neat
I'd like to see the video at least
No.165489
>>165488>shiny metal objectWithout reading the thread or watching the video: radioactive waste?
No.165490
>>165489He did upload a video testing for radiation using a radio and it emitted the noises an electronic device does when being exposed to radiation.
No.165491
>>165488Well that looked fake as fuck but Iwannabelieb so Ill check the threads a bit
No.165492
It's likely an /x/ anon doing an ARG but he fucked up by doing it too good and convincing. Now /x/ and reddit are doxxing him to see if he's alive.
No.165503
>>165485>>165488Finally a good happening. I too think it sadly looks fake, but it's been a while since we've had "mysteries" like this and I'm a sucker for them until there's 100% direct proof for one case over another.
No.165511
>>165488Guy realized he fucked up and had to upload new videos proving he's alive likely because the police told him to do so lmao. This will go down as an /x/ ARG that went too far.
No.165513
Cloudflare just imploded in case you're wondering why you can't access sadpanda and some imageboards like Wapchan or Hikari
No.165514
>>165513I didn't expect there are imageboards that still use it when there are alternatives to it now.
No.165516
This also affects 4chan, but only if the 4chan board software thinks it needs to prompt you for a challenge, like when your IP changed.
No.165517
>>165514I remember wapchan specifically only implemented it when the 4chan outage happened and they got hit hard by traffic. In any case they got anubis so they were probably planning on removing it soon enough.
No.165518
Cloudflare is up again
No.165522
>>165518Now I can post tamamo in the fate/extra thread on /v/
No.165523
>>165517It's pretty neat to see how responsive figamin is. Literally one post telling him that Cloudflare is an evil company and that he should use Anubis instead and he instantly switched.
No.165524
>>165523I gain respect for him every time he comes up.
No.165526
>>165525Did I imagine this or did she have a much more obviously anime inspired design at first and it made people seethe?
No.165527
>>165526Unless something has changed, this is her design. I did see /g/ throw a shitfit about anubis and people posting ai art with her
No.165528
>>165526The first design was AI generated which made people seethe so it was changed to this cartoony creature
iirc the dev of Anubis makes people pay to change the image
>>165527It's amazing I don't know what it is about this design but it triggers my fight instinct
No.165530
>>165529Even cropped, I want to fuck houtengeki's anubis, this is insane. As for the AI anubis, it looks kinda like her but they at least gave her clothes and a chibi look so its different enough
No.165531
>>165511Why are there so many people in the comments shitting on the guy instead of just laughing it off? They seem butt-hurt over an internet prank.
No.165534
James came fully clean in the recent video and streams and says he had to call it quits because some of the people who found him visited his and / or his parents' workplace. The object was indeed DIY and supposedly got confiscated.
I've found all of this very interesting and entertaining to follow. I don't mind the prank itself at all, but what irks me personally is that the guy is a total douchebag about the reveal, acts like he's some kind of Lex Luthor in the flesh and makes fun of the people who were worried about him and those who didn't immediately dismiss his story. I assume the equally as stupid hate prior to the reveal got to him and now he's proud to be the villain.
As an interesting side note, he gave his thoughts on the Buga Sphere being a hoax as well.
Back to imageboards:
While this situation sadly opened my eyes to how /x/, too, has become completely unbrowsable compared to when I last checked it out, I really enjoyed those few anons completely feeding into the story for fun and even now claiming James was pressured into pretending this is a hoax. Some of those read like ex Baneposters.
No.165537
>>165536
How does it affect you personally?
No.165546
>>165513>Many of Cloudflare’s services experienced a significant outage today beginning around 11:20 UTC. It was fully resolved at 14:30 UTC. The root cause of the outage was a configuration file that is automatically generated to manage threat traffic. The file grew beyond an expected size of entries and triggered a crash in the software system that handles traffic for a number of Cloudflare’s services.https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2025/11/18/cloudflare-down-global-outage-impacting-large-parts-of-the-internet/That's hilarious.
No.165550
>>165514Holotower still uses it
No.165551
>>165534/x/ has been a schizo and druggie circlejerk for years now and its only been getting worse. Makes me wish there was an imageboard for actual paranormal and horror content. I found the James thread and the Roy Jay thing from a few months ago pretty entertaining though.
No.165553
>>165551>Makes me wish there was an imageboard for actual paranormal (...)Same here. I've never been an /x/ regular or anything of the like, just lurked every few years when I randomly got interested in some topic again, but it would be great to have an address with actual moderation. Perhaps someone involved would be fine with recommending a place, that is if Kissu wouldn't mind the obvious advertising of something that is unrelated to its target audience?
No.165555
>>1655514/jp/ has been a better source of /x/ content for me than modern 4/x/
Of course, the best ever source is own delusions and research based on delusions
No.165556
>>165528moe layman here
it's the swollen up ugly hands, nonsensical hair structure, thick neck with weird connection to the head
No.165557
>>165550Holotower probably gets an insane amount of traffic on a regular basis so that's more understandable.
No.165559
>roachanon
>yurifag
>holo & 3DPD
>/jp/hu
man 4/jp/ just gets more raped as time goes on
No.165560
>>165553It's not a fully paranormal imageboard but Uboachan has /cc/. The problem is that Uboachan is very dead and neglected, and barely anyone used that board when it was active anyway
No.165563
>>165477I'm half convinced they use the term "range ban" as shorthand for any combination of cookie bans, content-based heuristics, browser fingerprinting, actual IP range bans, untested third party blocklists and randomized "ID yourself to bypass" incentives these days.
For example, I just got hit with this for the first time. New private browsing session, so it's not a cookie ban. Only made a few unobjectionable posts from this browser profile a few weeks ago, which has settings specific enough that it's probably globally unique, so it's probably not user agent related either. And I seriously doubt my landline ISP in a small non-English country that doesn't have a reputation for spam attracts a large enough percentage of shitposters to incur an actual range ban for other users' behavior. That leaves the last two options.
Either way, it's a clever way to boost activity on better imageboards.
No.165568
>>165563You can be fully convinced of that. You can just try with a user agent changer for example. Sometimes I think I should read the leaked source code to check what things they tried, but I guess I'm too lazy.
No.165570
>>165534When I was much younger /x/ was considered the posterchild for great threads on /b/ yielding another shit board.
I do have to say though I really miss the days of 'wow these threads are great let's do a board for them' vs the containment board anger that so predominated the 10's.
No.165572
>>165559>>165566>roachanonMay I ask what that person's gimmick is?
No.165573
>>165561Just give up anon, it has terminal cancer and the janisters are making sure the cancer doubles until the board just becomes japan general like they always wanted
No.165576
>>165570>When I was much younger /x/ was considered the posterchild for great threads on /b/ yielding another shit board.That was... /tg/ and /x/? I guess soc counts too
No.165578
>>165555Yes, the esoterica threads have been really cool and informational about a lot of background stuff I was unaware of. Some of them go to great lengths to dig up stuff that's hard to find on the web, which goes right with ZUN's comment that you cant find really enjoyable things with google. This site here alone is a gem
https://archive-of-the-sealed-gods.neocities.org/.
No.165579
>>165572Same guy that would post "having tea" in a bunch of places. Also avatarfagged with Madoka for a while. Just an attention seeking faggot that blogposts a shitton.
No.165584
>>165572A guy who keeps making completely pointless threads blogposting on what he'll do for the day. What pisses off everyone is that those kinds of threads are effectively banned in almost all boards except for 4/jp/ for some God forsaken reason.
No.165586
>>165579>>165584Wasn't he on kissu for like a hot minute before he got ran off?
No.165588
>>165555Delusions, or messages from beyond?
No.165589
>>165586Dunno, I just remember banning him from my own imageboard back when I ran one, then seeing him pop up on a few other places before settling in 4/jp/.
No.165590
Around this time it's just schizos schizos schizos schizos on /a/.
So tiring.
No.165595
T-they got me... I can't post images from new sessions anymore. I tried everything, but images only work on already trusted sessions.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that it's a measure for stopping CP spam and other shit.
No.165597
Can't seem to post in Wapchan currently due to an error.
>Your browser sent an invalid or no HTTP referer.
Is what pops up. Not the only anon with this issue either.
No.165598
Classic vichan issue
No.165600
>>165584Is it the same guy who made a thread to spam his drunk ramblings?
No.165601
>>165597This has been fixed
No.165605
>>165584report it for off-topic dummy
No.165606
>>165605nta but he's been reported many times already and never gets b&
No.165607
>>165606weird. link me a thread
No.165608
>>165584Accelerationism is the way. More retardation would fix 4/jp/. We had been getting got plenty of good migrations abd splinters already after all
No.165611
>report lots of schizo posting
>some time passes
>only an unrelated and not reported post saying "nigger" in the same thread gets deleted
What the fuck is wrong with the 4chan mods?
No.165618
>>165611What isn't wrong with them you mean
No.165621
>>165608You have no idea how retarded /jp/ used to be over a decade ago.
No.165626
Daily post of whining about the completely fucking shit moderation on /a/.
It would be a net positive if they didn't moderate it at all.
No.165635
>>165590>schizos >sYou're underestimating how many "posters" are actually one single person.
If you do this kind of shit, eventually you'll slip when juggling personas and end up in a collage full of evidence linking every single one of your patterns.
I think that most of these "slips" are on purpose just to grab attention desu.
No.165637
>>165635>and end up in a collage full of evidence linking every single one of your patterns. Oh I know these. Schizos make them to "prove" something but nobody reads them.
You got a point though. I believe it's easy for a single person to have this much effect if they're obsessed enough. A sane person wouldn't think it's possible, because even if they try, they give up soon, because they realize it's an unhealthy waste of time.
No.165639
>>165637You can tell you're dealing with an actually mentally ill poster when they go into a huge melty after someone posts "don't give him attention" advice.
Seeing that is kind of funny but also very pathetic.
No.165647
it's kinda sad when no one actually gives him attention and he proceeds to make the thread unusable by arguing about stupid shit literally no one understands
No.165649
>>165647And then every poster other than the off-topic spammer gets banned for complaining
No.165651
>>165649This feeling that the mods actually help the schizos has grown so strong. But of course, never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.
No.165652
>>165637you best start believing in samefag schizos. Go to the other /hap/ and check the resident furfag secret agent larper. Last episode he had he pretended to have a fight with tripfag that just happened to have intimate knowledge of every thread regular. for 600 posts.
No.165653
>>165651> never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.True, although there certainly are some compromised janitors. They're always camping certain threads and/or trying to shill (I'm referring to Gookshit)
No.165662
>>165651>never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.or what? some dumbass will insult you?
No.165664
>>165651Malice is incompetence.
No.165668
>>165664Malice is an aesthetic choice some are competent in.
No.165670
>>165651>never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.Hanlon's razor is a fine rule in general, but you shouldn't adhere to it religiously; sometimes what looks like incompetence actually
is malice. Or it's both at the same time.
No.165696
>>165664>Malice is incompetence.You are basically outing yourself as malicious with that lie.
No.165713
>>165670>Hanlon's razor is a fine rule in generalNo.