No.134507
timer/mail are now required for all 4ch boards
No.134508
1984
No.134510
I feel like it's something smaller, slow imageboards could consider if they're not able to actively moderate. It's certainly not the ideal, but if the admin only checks the site weekly (or worse) then it's better than the site getting yanked and deleted by the host for leaving pages of illegal content on the front page.
No.134512
>4chan faq
>bypass various other filters and blocks
wot
No.134514
I find it funny that the cutiechan cattle will just accept this and refuse to go anywhere else
No.134515
>>134507So I guess the staged rollout was just so they could focus on deleting all backlash threads and make a bunch of "actually, I think this is a good thing" shillposts on the big boards one at a time by triggering them actively instead of silently pushing it and letting users all figure it out on their own in a billion "why do I have to wait 15 minutes to post" threads.
No.134516
>>134514Where else is there to go? Most of the Internet is shit at this point. I mean they could come here, but a grand majority of the posters are dogshit.
No.134517
>>134514>cutiechanheheheheh
No.134518
>>134514As much as I hate the change, they really only have to wait 15 minutes (for now).
>>134516Rude.
No.134519
>>134518I'm saying the cutiechan posters are dogshit.
No.134520
the cutiechan posters are cute!!
No.134521
is romanced filtered to cute too? cutiechan is a really cute and clever filter
No.134522
>>134518>for nowThat's the catch. /biz/ proved that they want to move to a verification/pass-only model as soon as they can get away with it.
No.134525
>>134514I don't really have anywhere else to discuss and shitpost about 2hu with the frequency I've been accustomed to on /jp/. Also all my friends are there.
No.134526
>>134525Migrate here and invite your friends!
No.134529
>>134525>with the frequency I've been accustomed to on /jp/./jp/ without the generals is pretty much non-4chan imageboard speed, but it's true that the people there are different. I think the issue people run into is that boards outside 4chan lose their 2hu-ness over time. As much as people like Touhou, it's just hard to be excited about it to the same level 15 years later. The old flashes are old enough to be in college. 4chan gets the most fresh blood and that means 4/jp/ has the advantage of people experiencing 2hu for the first time. It's hard to replicate that elsewhere, but... you should do what
>>134526 suggested and make lots of 2hu threads!
No.134530
>>134526>Migrate!I did in part, but it's complicated. I don't like to make threads and 2hu is kinda niche to talk about exclusively. /kissu/ is much more rounded out in that regard which is great for the /a/&/jp/ blended group, but it makes it difficult for me to make a post because I missed out on the teenage phase of watching loads and loads of anime and playing VNs, I still did somewhat
the binge phase was wasted on the crunchyroll catalogue, so a lot of the screenshots/references goes over my head. I'm still assimilating board culture.
>Invite your friends!I don't want to be the annoying dummy asking people to move from the board and asking if anyone from the board is here. It's like that pained look Excalibur gets from others in Soul Eater.
But it's like that guy said, we'll do anything but leave the place that's boiling us. It's because tradition demands we stay. It's not as simple as just packing up and moving, we'd be leaving behind history: all the inside jokes, memorable posts and threads, and other little bits of culture and memes. Stuff that doesn't translate well and comes off as forced when it's mentioned.
And my frustrations with the site comes to the same whining point: "If only moderation wasn't so terrible and bad and arbitrary."
I whine too much.
No.134532
>>134530>I don't like to make threadsAh, the poster that's overly considerate and worried about social missteps. One of the things imageboards can't get enough of is conversation starters. The paralyzing worry you feel about quality or fitting in is something that's working against not only you but the boards you want to post on. If too many people that feel like this then there's nothing to reply to! I can tell you not to worry about it and people here (or any good imageboard) is understanding, but it's something you have to feel yourself.
>I whine too much.It's really not whining at all, just meta talk. It's good to see /jp/ is still full of meta minded people as it was the board that historically had the highest per capita metaness.
No.134533
>>134530> I don't like to make threadsBut you should, especially on a website like this where the heritage of old-/qa/ was taking it easy. Just make threads and have a good time.
Hell this shitter >>>/jp/82203 makes threads all the time, especially on /secret/
>It's not as simple as just packing up and movingNo, it's literally that simple, just post here and have a good time. 4ch is dying, the moderation staff is run by mentally ill faggots who hate you, your culture, your beliefs, and your OC. There's nothing left.
No.134535
>>134532This. The essence of imageboards is throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Anonymity is there to give you the courage to put nine two-reply threads behind you so you can reach the tenth that sparks something new and interesting that even you couldn't have predicted. Basically the entire reason I'm here is because 4/a/ mods started passing out bans for doing that and kissu promotes that culture of freshness.
No.134536
>>134534I hate to say it but if you want to bring the touhou you need to do it.
Just fucking, post. Be like, "Holy shit I fucking love Junko" or something. Make the conversation happen.
No.134539
>>134537Then do it! Nothing is stoping and you can do it! Just fucking do it! Make the 2hu conversation come here instead of bitching!
No.134540
>>134529By general threads you likely mean most of the board, even for threads not explicitly generals like ones for certain characters or groups right? I agree, niche one off threads are rare and slow, but it's also because of the rest of the board having so much two hoes those odd threads get any posts. If I were to pull examples from now, there's the one on esoteric religious elements in Touhou and the fun thread where we're trying to quantify how dorky each 2hu is so we can find a top 10 ranking: a hyper specific lore thread and dumb silly fun thread respectively. BUT, if the solution is literally: "just post, hop in dude!" no matter how niche a topic since that's ultimately what an imageboard is for, then that's easy and I should stop obsessing over it.
>>134532Well when you get down to the brass tacks /jp/ started as an excuse for moot to dump Touhou off /a/, so having an understanding of the meta of why things are is kind-of ingrained in most /jp/sies. But engaging in meta-talk is both so easy to do and get into writing paragraphs for, and it's a quick slip and slide into bitching and moaning, so there's an overall aversion to it and it makes people feel icky and pointing out that "yeah things aren't so great" kills the mood.
Thank you for the encouragement. I will post more, later, when I don't have assignments due in like an hour.
>>134537There's >>81972. Admittedly it's one where she's made fun of for being a lonely dollhouse nerd.
No.134541
i do think it's going to be much harder to sustain any touhou discussion on kissu and that it's rare for us to seriously broach the topic like we do with other stuff
not trying to be a downer, i just think it's understandable and that it's not gonna be the same
No.134546
>>134389The stock market and commodities generals which had some of the best information on markets and on the board remain on /bant/, the copies on /biz/ are so much slower and not as insightful given all the good users migrated. But nearly everything else moved back.
>>134522/biz/ did have pushback though, it was bleeding traffic from early April until the 15 minute timer was implemented late May before its traffic restabilized.
No.134550
A day or so later cutiechan is just how i imagined it would be. A good flock of sheep that doesnt seem to care at all about the restrictions.
No.134560
>>134546/biz/ didn't have the 15 minute option and did have other boards they could migrate to. There are no group backup plans for when 4chan mods go insane (except for all the discords the general threads have, I guess) and by the time you are able to post to start talking about that you're able to post normally without the hassle again so why bother with something that's just going to get you instabanned? I do hope more individuals take this as an impetus to move and cause a notable decline in post numbers, or at least post quality.
No.134586
>>134549Suffer not the phoneposter to live
No.134598
There is a temporary email website that offers gmail addresses
https://www.mailticking.com/ No.134608
>>134550As someone who writes like 3 posts a week in niche generals it doesn't affect me at all. Remains to be seen if threads just go to shit over time. I feel like those who whine the most are the terminally online types and manually evading shitposters (bots get through just fine).
No.134610
>terminally online
Mod speak for 'just don't care lmao'.
Unless it's something that personally offends them then it's Jesus streaking across the sky riding a white horse with a sword coming out of his mouth.
No.134626
>>134473>kinda like /lit/'s /wwoym/ here >>133234Seems like those threads are now banned. Say hello to the 4chan mod(s) browsing this thread!
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_text=write+%22on+your+mind%22&search_op=op&search_ord=new/qa/ still has reach!
No.134628
>>134626Then that mod is a retard, because that thread is about the same ethos as /co/'s WOYA threads - made in the spirit of practicing the hobby.
No.134630
>>134628i think you're mixing up /wwoym/ with /wg/, the actual writing general
No.134698
Wapchan has moved from Lynxchan to Vichan, and found a way to preserve all the current threads.
No.134700
>>134698Lynxchan and jschan is cancer to use. Good for them. Vichan feels much better to use.
I'm still mad they found a way to convert /kind/ into their community and change the spirit of kind. I would have rather it stayed dead than watch it change.
No.134701
>>134700If that's your mindset then imageboards are not for you. Change is intended by design.
No.134702
>>134701Well that's clearly bullshit, this place feels like a retirement home.
No.134703
>>134701To passive aggressively say imageboards aren't for me just because I didn't like the change in culture that had been there for many years is kind of ridiculous.
No.134704
>>134703To quote Shii's ancient and badly worded arguments: "Anonymous, No Holds Barred, Ephemeral Discussion"
You can't fight the ephemeral nature of discussion and be emotionally attuned to the imageboard format. Expect communities to mutate and appreciate the changes whenever you can.
Nor you can try to shame my tone either. Mph.
>>134702You truly believe posting habits in /jp/ ibs haven't changed a bit in 10 years of imageboards?
No.134705
>>134704>Nor you can try to shame my tone either.I just said I didn't like the change. You're the one shaming me for stating an opinion and mourning the loss of a loved one. I don't need you to also dislike the change, post there all you want and have a good time.
>You truly believe posting habits in /jp/ ibs haven't changed a bit in 10 years of imageboards?For the worse, but it happens.
You can't change how I feel about a change by telling me I must appreciate change. Just drop the subject, this argument is incredibly stupid and a complete waste of time for both of us.
No.134706
>>134701Change by periodically killing off the old so that something new can spring up in its place, not by perpetually animating a corpse.
No.134707
>>134704>Mph. NEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRD
No.134708
>>134705>You can't change how I feel about a change by telling me I must appreciate changeNo I'm not that sympathetic. I'm chastising you for expecting otherwise. Next time, do better.
>For the worseThen you'd be better off on a registered forum were you can police content to your heart's desire.
If arguments about wasting time is on the menu, consider what it provokes on others to hear you complain, mournfully or not, maintaining a veneer of positivity then drop that old good new bad line. To me, it's something along the lines of who do you think you are.
No.134710
Take it easy.
There's no reason to bring out the antagonism for people just wanting to have casual imageboard talk. Telling people to leave imageboards because they shared a negative opinion of something is terrible behavior for this thread that is built upon discussing such things. It's not only okay to criticize things, but it's healthy.
Anyway, how did /kind/ change? Meta talk is good.
No.134711
>>134708>Next time, do better.No.
>Then you'd be better off on a registered forum were you can police content to your heart's desire.Stop projecting.
>>134710>Anyway, how did /kind/ change?I don't want to start a discussion with the anon above.
No.134712
>>134700>I would have rather it stayed dead than watch it change.You're probably in the minority then. /kind/ has had long stretches of time in bunkers and 2kind went down out of nowhere. Sure, wapchan isn't kind.moe, but the admin's given the board a lot of autonomy and even restored their old vichan theme from years ago.
No.134714
For the imageboard paleontologists out there this guy, Nameless Rumia, may have arguably written THE wiki on early imageboard history
https://namelessrumia.heliohost.org/w/doku.php?id=start No.134723
>>134714i reocgnize this place, been there a couple times
did a bit of reading and it turns out he has an article for his favorite 2hu (actually not rumia)
https://namelessrumia.heliohost.org/w/doku.php?id=yuuka_kazami No.134725
>>134550cutiechan's quality has been in a nosedive for ages now so it's probably more of a case of the majority of the posters being apathetic about all this
No.134726
>>134723I've been reading this all day. I'm just amazed, he has actually documented every imageboard scene there was with some minuscule exceptions (the raidchan and euro /int/ cliques). Only thing missing is the history of imageboard history itself. shii's wiki, wikichan, lurkmore, the imageboard archives etc. But otherwise it's genuinely the most complete reference book on imageboards there is, I cannot believe my eyes.
This brings me back, hard, I used to run with the bibliotheca anonoma crew. Making something like Rumia's wiki was our pipedream, a collective fantasy we all thought we could achieve but none of us knew Jap (and or any relevant language)... or formal paper formatting... even how to begin the effort compiling all this info that was then strawn around like 20 sites and half of it was hearsay. We worked with what we had and made a lot of improvising and got that kuso 4chan.doc out of it. I'm genuinely happy someone actually achieved our goal. Hmm. I wonder what antonizoon is doing now, hope he's doing alright.
No.134734
>>134726>I used to run with the bibliotheca anonoma crewhold the fuck up, really? mad respect
you ever cross paths with the chanthropology guys? i'm pretty sure i'm getting the name wrong but maybe you know who i'm talking about
No.134736
>>134734I was co-founder! And now I'm utterly high on nostalgia so you get the whole thing.
At the start it was just anton and his brother (who i don't recall ever talking but had admin privs on the ssh. Yes, we had a server and even several tbs worth of TAPE storage, Anton was armed to the fucking teeth). I emailed him - don't remember if it was about the doc, the timelines or what - and he actually replied, it was mental that someone other than me was interested in all the esoterism of IBs.
Anton had already set up the early wiki and was copypasting a bunch of stuff from blogs. When we met the ball really got rolling as I knew about all the old sites, unwritten rumours and had one or twenty ideas on how imageboard community mechanics worked.
Anton was reaaaally into the old wincest stories and post archival while I was the crazy cat lady (male) with 20 GBs of renamed 4chan images ranting about lost glories of imageboard culture. Our only sources at the start were Waha's bbs's, Shii's wiki, those essays written by fucking JKid and whatever we could scrape from wikichan's corpse. And ofc hundreds and hundreds of screenshots I autistically read. I regret nothing.
From 2014 to 2016 we had a lot of fun just unboxing /b/ folders after /b/ folders, finding secret internet sites, making sense of the ayashii -> amezo -> 2ch pipeline (esoteric bs that had exactly 1 engrish translated work at hand) and determining who was who in the early days. Simple stuff really but when we started nobody had yet to dispute basic shit like the "SA -> 4chan" narrative. Anton started the 4chan doc by copypasting to his wiki from various sources and I slowly accrued everything into a single file and rewrote it everytime we came across a contradiction. I remember going crazy finding the old board wikis that had first hand accounts of their history. But truth be told we were really mostly interested in completing the ancient 4chan projects (ie the wikichan timeline), doing archeology research on Shii's ideology and noting down site culture minutae (ie what meme was popular in 2009 or which mod did what) than actually writing things that would matter like anthropology essay on anonymous communication, clique-oriented communities, how mechanics of IB features affected posting habits or implementing proper historiography standards. Maybe I regret a couple things.
But when I say we were clueless I
mean we were clueless, we were speculating about most things and ran entirely on hype. We basically believed IBs were magic, the greatest thing to grace the Internet and were hellbent to prove it. anton's optimism was contagious if a little unrealistic (we had interesting debates on whether or not the original blindmuteloli story and other copycats were real). As Anton set up a massive structure (server, git, and a bunch of utility sites that only near graduation in my industrial engineering career I understood were to set up an honest-to-god SCRUM management system). Initial focus was rescuing rarities - finding old IB folders, scrapping relevant sites - before the internet glacier atomized them. Soon we started to gather a few kooks and kids with personal projects willing to help and share advice / resources, we were 6 or 8 iirc with little idea what to do but very eager to do so. Within a couple years we refocused much of our efforts into archiving, as we noticed some old 4chan archives were dropping dead. Anton wrote a super powerful personal thread scrapper and we tried to keep tabs on what periods of 4chan were archives or not. That /b/ 2004 archive was an urban myth then and basically our holy grail. Still can't believe it actually existed. Anton later did *something* to help archiver sites server side, some really crazy shit I really didn't understand because I had 0 coding and server knowledge then. I think at some point in 2015/6 bibanon was providing infrastructure aid for like a third of all archivers. (I could be wrong wait no they actually run desuarchive holy shit anton you mad genious)
I dropped off around 2017 after the English speaking Internet went... well, insane from my itty bitty foreign perspective, plus imageboard culture more or less disappeared. Moreover I was growing increasingly dissatisfied with how the .doc was turning out - as I understood IBs better I was trying to put to words things leftfield of all narratives popular at the time - ie how technolgoy / site format affected posting habits and how things like containment boards simply didn't exist. But to do that I'd have to rewrite the historic summary from scratch and rethink the whole process. I just didn't have the willpower for it anymore specially as every english site around me was becoming politically radicalized.
Then anton set up a discord bridge to our IRC and most of the crew left for grooming operation. That's when I lost contact as I was a bit autistic about IRC being hallowed ground. I do regret losing contact.
>chanthropologyOooooof blessed be you who never came to hold an actual conversation with jKid. Poor man isn't evil, but he's a diagnosed HF autist who just rants nonsensically about things he thinks are extremely important, and his illness stops him from ever being truly right about something.
If it's not Yotsuba Society, I tried googling chanthropology but found basic things - a MIT paper and a medium article. No name I read there would care for bibanon. You should hook by bibanon's discord if it still exists and ask anton... I should be doing that.
No.134744
>>134075>>134290I am done with 4chan. The existing captcha system was already burdensome enough to make me post very rarely. The only place I posted anymore was /agdg/ on /vg/ but it was already so low quality as to hardly be worth it. Why jump through so many hoops just to get no replies to development progress that took me six hours, when boring shitposts get ten?
It's like they don't want us to have fun anymore.
No.134754
>>134736>That /b/ 2004 archive was an urban myth then and basically our holy grail. Well that's something new to me anyways.
Gotta appreciate the people who can be bothered to keep diligent about archival.
No.134767
>>134726>I wonder what antonizoon is doing now, hope he's doing alrightFrom what I heard he had a similar issue as the ehentai admin- wrist pain that became so bad that it greatly limited his time on the computer. This is just something I heard indirectly, though. I think we talked about it in rizon #qa years ago and antonizoon has been idling there for years at this point so his computer is at least functional. Or I guess it might just be a bouncer keeping his account logged in?
You'd probably have to talk to the bibanon people themselves, but I think they're in discord these days...
No.134876
>>134714As always with things like this the wiki excludes alot of things and tries to paint a certain narrative.
No.134877
>>134876We need someone knowledgeable and truly unbiased like you to give us the real story.
No.134878
>>134877Your "wiki" is bad.
No.134880
>>134767>ehentai admin>wrist paingee wonder why
No.134892
NO reply
No.134914
>>134714>>134876Without touching on anything specific so no one goes down an old battleground rabbithole I agree.
His versions of events I was party to don't reflect my memory of events. So when I read events I was not party to I figure they're similarly bullshit.
It's a personal website. I go in expecting editorial. I don't go in expecting anti-factual versions of events.
No.134916
>>134914pics or it didn't happen
No.134918
>>134917there's barely anything about SA on the wiki... so what's the narrative
No.134923
>>134918My narrative is that it's not really a personal wiki. Where Everything Shii Knows was a list of things Shii had some personal history in and exposure to, Everything Rumia Knows is a bunch of cobbled together third party sources with it's own selection bias. Selecting what's notable enough to get an article. Texas Sharpshooting in the citations. You aren't writing what you "know". Incompatible scopes.
I find that all terribly ironic personally, even if the site's been rebranded from that name for years.
But as I said in my first post I find the impersonal scope of the site and his own biases lead to bullshit but I'm not really interested in getting in the weeds about where his history of [redacted] or [redacted] goes wrong here. It'd invite the wrong sort tangent.
No.134926
>>134923>guide to 4chan.jpgLol what? I've heard about /l/ before, but you're telling me that there was also a board specifically for loli
torrents at some point? How much content would there even have been for that back in the early 2000s?
No.134963
only the realest niggas know about /tl/
No.134965
I tried to open /tl/ just now and it said my IP was forwarded to the authorities?? What the fuck do I do I live with my mom she's gonna find out
No.134990
>>134988do you have a dynamic IP?
No.134991
>>134988I haven't actually posted on 4chan since they rolled the new system out and probably won't until Christmas time. It's probably because you're blocking cookies so they can't spy on you or something, but honestly modern 4chan isn't worth jumping through hurdles for and it's only going to get worse since they were able to suppress anyone who tried to revolt over this. Time to move on.
No.134992
4chan's dev reduced /gif/'s amount of pages to 5 and removed its local archive without providing an explanation (as usual).
NSFW meta thread:
https://boards.4chan.org/gif/thread/28118304 No.134993
>>134992Huh, was /gif/ using a lot of bandwidth? This definitely seems like a cost-cutting measure.
No.134994
>>134993with all the porn posted there by the second, I bet.
No.135010
Some of the mod posts from the board purge they inflicted implied their problem isn't bandwidth of stuff that's cached and served by cloudfare, but rather running out of space on 4chan's actual servers.
No.135011
>>135010I wanted to say /gif/ isn't that big they could just get an extra harddrive, but then I remembered they store everything for a week (publicly) if not more (privately). I assume NSA stores the rest with their backdoor so they don't need a permanent archive at least.
No.135012
>>135010>running out of space on 4chan's actual servers.How little space do they have...
https://4stats.io suggests /gif/ makes 4444 posts per day. Assuming a worst case scenario where each of those posts has a 4MB file attached, that would only be 53GiB in the archive if each and every one of those posts went directly to the archive over 3 days. Assuming that same worst case scenario where every post has a 4MB file attached, and every thread has 200 replies that would only be 120GiB of active content across all 10 pages (150 threads total).
That means in a truly worst case scenario, /gif/ would constitute a typical maximum of ~173GiB.
Checking the 4chan homepage
https://archive.is/https://4chan.org/ shows that 4chan has a typical active content of around 1200GB. At the time of posting, there is 1172GB of active content on 4chan, which is noticeable decrease, but in the broader context of how much /gif/ could have been using, seems like an insignificant decrease over all.
>>135011>then I remembered they store everything for a week (publicly)3 days. Not even a week.
No.135026
>>135012Local archives only display 3 days worth of threads, but a thread can last up to a week before it disappears from the server and CF's cache.
No.135054
>>134876Like 90% of it is sourced from archived primary pages often from the mouths of every site's respective admins. What do you have to contest that?
Some things are definitely hearsay (read: unsourced), but as this viet's guesses are as educated as it gets.
No.135055
>>134926very likely not4chan, when the boards were removed and mantained on a separate site by a volunteer.
No.135070
>>134923ERK was never a good name in the first place, I'm just shit at naming things. It was always going to be the Wikipedia style of writing for those articles, not a personal retrospective on an internet spat that nobody cares about.
Personally, I don't like the wiki being hailed as a source for imageboard history either, thus why those articles aren't at the top, but the void of knowledge for these things from the fact that Wikichan hasn't existed in over a decade has caused people to treat it as such.
I'd honestly prefer if someone or something took up the task instead, so the history isn't just a wall of "August 10 - A mod shit the bed. The /xyz/ 10M GET happens." and scattered links to archives. A revival of Wikichan, at least, but that has yet to happen.
No.135076
A new imageboard was recently created:
https://rottingangels.org/ No.135078
>>135076>No hate speech or bigotry of any kind.May it collapse after one month Inshallah
No.135082
>>135078I get the idea and the want to push that stuff out. The faggots prattling on about niggers, jews, or whatever aren't the ones you want on your site anyway, but banning it wholesale actually creates more problems. Now you've got users who need to tiptoe around what the definition of "hate speech" and "bigotry" are according to whatever mod is watching. Does playing into a steryotype break the rules? What about fantasy racism? You could say that it's common sense that it just refers to IRL stuff, but common sense isn't so common. I've seen my fair share of moderators, on chans or otherwise, follow ruling to the letter rather than the spirit.
A far more concrete definition that does the same thing is prohibit outrage politics and political activism and encourage users stay on topic to hobbies and fun things. Kissu's rules function roughly the same, boiling down to: try to stay on topic, be mature about it, make quality posts to the respective board, and have fun. You still
can say hateful and bigoted things, but I have a feeling none of that fits the aforementioned points and you're getting pruned not because of racism, but because you were being a disruptive retard. It naturally filters out those bringing in IRL race, identity, and politics where it aught not to be, but doesn't preclude things that would be on topic like fantasy racism and politics.
No.135089
>>135082Without trying to blow my own horn, I think it takes a level of intelligence above what the average internet user posesses nowdays to recognise that it's valuable to not take things too seriously in general but especially on the internet, without delving into the territory of people who are incapable of having a proper conversation due to being so mired in post-irony. It's important to be able to choose to say something offensive but choose not to (get carried away doing so).
A wise man once said
>Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe they are in good company>The following will be deleted on sight. It doesn't fit here, take it somewhere else: Pepes, Wojacks, Soyjacks, Modern Buzzwords (i.e. Dilate, Cringe, Kohai) I like this rule, however. I've occasionally wanted to create a forum for one of my somewhat niche interests and this, along with "No discussion of politics or religion" would be on the short rules list.
I kind of butchered this post because I had to go AFK a few times when writing it. Hopefully it gets the point across.
No.135090
Sensible moderation here is a biproduct of high levels of disagreement and the software configuration allowing mods to override one another so long as the admin does not start doing edits straight to the database ( lucky the vichan MySQL engine sucks so hard that no one wants to do that)
No.135093
>>135090>and the software configuration allowing mods to override one anotherOut of curiosity, how is this implemented? Does it mean mod interventions can be reverted by other mods without data loss?
I'm toying with the idea of hosting an imageboard one day, and this is definitely a feature I'd want.
No.135094
He's referring to deleted posts being sent to their own board. I don't know which imageboard was the first to do it, but it wasn't kissu. It might have been a /jp/ spinoff due to the fixation on moderation and ghostposting. Posts/threads can simply be moved back if desired, but I don't think that got much use on imageboards with one sole staff member.
No.135095
>>135094>He's referring to deleted posts being sent to their own board.Right, I forgot about that because I never check it.
Does vichan allow mods to move soft-deleted replies back into their original thread if necessary? I heard moving posts was one of the things vichan always had trouble with.
No.135102
>>135089I like that rule too, those reaction images don't serve much purpose other than be unoriginal and lazy in case of a frog or they go hand in hand with post-ironic rage baiting and trolling. These two posts in the internet language thread sums up what I take issue with:
>>119085,
>>119086, those being that while some buzzwords can be used in normal conversation, others are just there to get a rise out of you and is a tell that you're talking with some disingenuous faggot. Though what's wrong with Kohai? Did it get co-opted into some other meaning they took offense with?
The thing I'd have issue with on the "No discussion of politics or religion" rule is on religion. I think there's a lot of good discussion you can get out of it, but that also depends on where your niche lies. In my case I like to discuss Touhou and one of the biggest points of the setting is faith: Shinto and Buddhism and to a lesser extent Christianity all have interactions and is something that needs to be talked about when discussing the metaphysics. But if you're running something like a tech forum then yeah that has nothing to do with the topic of the forum.
>Hopefully it gets the point across.You do, it's all good.
No.135103
soyjak sager
No.135107
>>135102>I like to discuss Touhou and one of the biggest points of the setting is faith: Shinto and Buddhism and to a lesser extent Christianity all have interactions and is something that needs to be talked about when discussing the metaphysics.There's a huge difference between discussing the religion/metaphysics of a fictional setting from a dispassionate observer's standpoint and discussing the poster's most deeply held personal beliefs they're unwilling to question. The former is a fun exercise in worldbuilding; the latter is a recipe for pointless off-topic drama.
No.135109
>>135094If someone else did the idea I didn't take it from them. The degree that Kissu uses it is unique across all imageboards and is inspired by certain failings of 4chan mods in communicating with 4/qa/.
>>135095I think it's in my most recent source code release, but it's a spaghetti mess of features stretched out between a proprietary golang engine and the public vichan one.
No.135119
>>135102Kohai is a kissu wordfilter for the gen Z -oo word because of how out of control generational shitposting got for a few years elsewhere. It's probably not that necessary anymore, but it's kind of funny.
I also don't like blanket bans on topics because they also impose limits on tangential discussions. There are plenty of anime and games that feature real religions and ask for you to think and talk about them seriously, not to mention the intersection with any history discussion. It's far better to moderate the intent of posts so that respectful discussion (and banter-like jabs) are allowed but truly inflammatory stuff is stopped, but that also requires mods who are in-touch with the community and willing to spend time doing their job properly.
No.135122
Hi, I am the admin of rottingangels.org
>>135082I did intend for the hate speech/bigotry and politics rules to only apply to irl stuff. I'm probably gonna change it to something more in line to your more concrete suggestion, as that was more what I was trying to say
>>135119> It's far better to moderate the intent of posts so that respectful discussion (and banter-like jabs) are allowed but truly inflammatory stuff is stopped, but that also requires mods who are in-touch with the community and willing to spend time doing their job properly.This is exactly how I intend to moderate the site, and the ethos i want to stick with new moderators (lol if I ever get any). Being or bringing on a kuso out of touch moderator is my greatest fear for the site honestly.
If you have any other suggestions or criticism on how to improve the site post about em in our "Site Discussion" board. They are highly welcomed, I want to make the site the best it can possibly be
No.135123
>>135102>>135119Yeah, I wouldn't have any issue with discussion of those things if they're related to the primary topic being discussed, but for many people now it's impossible to do that without it spiraling into a (thinly veiled) flamewar. Also because most religious discussion on the English language internet is about Abrahamaic religions while Eastern religious are rarely mentioned, and even if they are they're even more rarely used as a basis to flame others. Without trying to sound pretentious, the topic I'm interested in is fashion, specifcally "internet fashion" that was popular around 10-15 years ago and commonly associated with a website called Superfuture, so there's a reasonable chance of it coming up. I don't want to stifle discussion of those things as long as they're on topic, but don't want to encourage them spreading out of control either.
>>135122What prompted you to create a new imageboard and how do you spread the word of it?
No.135125
>>135123A few months ago i made this mockup forum design, which i forgot about until October when i decided to improve it and install a forum software, and randomly decided, "hey, what if I made this like a actual forum?"
Then I posted it online, made a few random posts to get discussion going and then I posted it on heyuri, mainly because we both have ideals to replicate older imageboard culture. I then shilled it across a few other websites and try to make posts on the site itself often, but I'm not really sure how to spread the word.
I have standards dammit, and I don't wanna spam other peoples imageboards too much.
I post on the site that If you like the site, post and encourage your friends to post.
>>135124sup
No.135139
I recently wanted to register on a regular forum dedicated to some specific interest and I liked a rule that banned reaction images completely. Unenforceable on imageboards though.
No.135146
There's talk on 4chan about
https://cock.li/ possibly being compromised by a government agency due to a new page and some warrant canary thing. If you used it for serious stuff you may want to change your emails and stuff. Cock.li was made by a 4chan guy and became fairly popular for throwaway emails to contact other anonymous people so it was pretty nice. But like every other nice anonymous thing it has long been used by various criminal groups, spammers, scammers and other undesirables since it was free and anonymous.
No.135147
>>134714He STILL refuses to add Violated Heroine to rpg maker stub
No.135148
>>135146What a fucking horrible year for the internet.
Feels lockstep.
No.135154
>>135148>What a fucking horrible year for the internet.2025 will be worse. 5 years to reach 2030. Its only the beginning.
No.135155
>>135146I've been wanting to move to Protonmail for a while from a more public email service but I'm inexperienced with this sort of thing. Are they on the same calibre of privacy?
No.135157
>>135146>>135155>>135156You shouldn't be using email if you want private communication. It's an inherently insecure protocol.
No.135158
>>135148>>135154I don't think the situation is hopeless. I've noticed over the past few years that /x/ conspiracies that would normally never see the light of day being mentioned by average people. Touhou which is extremely niche outside of Japan spilling over to the Western normalsphere via Roblox. In light of that it starts to make sense why they're becoming increasingly aggressive.
It feels like people are slowly starting to recognize the system is fundamentally wrong. I'm not sure whether people will finally reject it. I think the internet was a double-edged sword because while it lets them turn the world into a large prison it also brought the collective consciousness into force. I don't think this
thing wants to be turned into a mindless slave even if some of its parts are (like norms).
No.135159
>>135158>It feels like people are slowly starting to recognize the system is fundamentally wrong. I'm not sure whether people will finally reject it.Irrelevant. People never do anything, let alone when something they love is held hostage by the oppressor. And by what I've seen, people will literally accept anything.
Take for example the increased privacy invasion by governments and big tech companies. Do anyone care about that, besides us autists? No. Normies don't give a fuck about it. Feudalism existed by a reason.
>Touhou which is extremely niche outside of Japan spilling over to the Western normalsphere via RobloxThe situation is truly hopeless.
No.135174
>>135166>I legitimately got shadowbanned on 4chan>clicking the post number does nothing.I assume you've done zero investigation into whats causing this and it's probably some outdated script or cloudflare or your adblocker mistakenly blocking you from acquiring some javascript files.
Take your meds.
No.135189
>>135174WRONG. I can't post on mobile either.
No.135192
>>135155look into pgp encryption
what email provider you are using when everything is end to end encrypted becomes irrelevant
you don't even have to use an email client, mailvelope basically supports every webmail provider under the sun
No.135196
>>135192Or even better, stop using email for anything serious. PGP is just a kludge on top of it. Use a safe messaging system, i.e like simplex, even matrix would be better.
No.135197
>>135189Are you using some weird dns blocking cloudflare? Over aggressive adblockers? Have you changed anything recently?
Their normal shadowban strategy for spammers is to let your posts seemingly go through, but then just never make them visible. There is no reason for them to make it obvious you can't post without just straight up banning you like normal. There's likely a good reason behind why you can't post, but sure it's a conspiracy that affects you and only you. Your neighbours are in on it.
>>135196Buying doujins and onaholes is very serious business and you need email for that.
No.135199
>>135197>Buying doujins and onaholes is very serious business and you need email for that.How could I forget about that! Stupid me.
No.135231
4chan finally accepts mp4 uploads now
No.135233
>>135232I wonder why. It's still going to have small filesize limits, right? I see someone posting "tiktok test" so maybe that explains it, ease of use of reposts.
Also someone posted a kissu Broco mp4 there...
No.135234
>>135233>Also someone posted a kissu Broco mp4 there...That was me! I don't have many mp4 videos.
Yeah reposts from twitter and tiktok since that's what a lot of the contentis anyway. It will make it easier to post them from a phone.
No.135237
>>1352314chan is cutting edge too!
No.135239
>>135238becky's gonna correct phoneposters
No.135240
>>135238I hope you didn't think I was saying it would make it easier for
me.
No.135241
you can't even download files from Twitter. I think you kinda can on Tiktok though, but the new FCC chief will probably force all ISPs to block it
No.135242
>>135236What is there to figure out?
No.135243
>>135241You can, or else people wouldn't be able to scrape. On phone I'm sure you probably can with an external website.
No.135244
>>135243you can get a website or app to do anything, but to imagine that an entire group of posters are going to do that for twitter...
No.135248
>>135240No, just disgust at encouraging phoneposters and social media reposts.
No.135264
It'd be nice to cut things from places like sakugabooru. It's already the path of least resistance to just cut vp9 videos that exist on youtube down to 4chan sizes, without reencoding them.
vp9's encoder is really aids at hitting target filesizes.
No.135290
>>135231so how's 4chan going since h*ro's takeover? yeah...
No.135321
>>135174>Take your meds.Shadowbanning on cutiechan is real. I'ts been a thing for a couple of years now. You will get "post succesful" and your post wont be posted. For me it was a image shadowban so i couldnt post any threads or post any images. Any threads i tried to make would just prompt "post successful" and redirect me to another thread.
No.135335
Not sure how significant this is but 22chan added the /mp3/ board
https://22chan.org/mp3/Seems kinda expensive especially bandwidth wise
No.135530
What happened to onesixtwo?
No.135549
>>135530Was that the Starcraft 2 people? I think I remember someone asking about this semi-recently, but I could be wrong. When was the last time you saw it?
No.135550
>>135530it changed names a few times.
I thought it would be on allchans.org but it seems like it doesn't have the recent name.
Or it's gone
No.135716
tried to read this thread while Driving but there are just so many words do you really have to use so much words
No.135718
>>135716Why are you trying to read while driving? Drive safe!
No.135817
what came back and no one told me about it
No.135818
Secrets out
No.135834
Seems like 4/jp/ is making a Touhou VN.
https://boards.4chan.org/jp/thread/48373872A poster in the previous thread suggested moving the project to a spinoff site, Kissu being one of the suggested sites, but they moved to Wapchan instead.
No.135835
>>135834Neat. It's good to see a project giving exposure and recognition to imageboards outside 4chan.
No.135836
>>135834Looking forward to see what their demo looks like, hope they can keep momentum going despite the IRL obligations. I wish them luck.
After that I'll see if there's an opportunity to write for it since they're just looking at a few to start.
>>135835It is a good thing. With how low the bump limit is for /jp/ and the relative speed of the board it's just not possible to run a project like that solely there, much to the chagrin of some fags who whined about altchans and namefagging. Organization-wise, the Wapchan thread and their attempts to make a design document seems to be good, and the admin is interested in it which is fantastic.
No.135857
I did my bi-yearly check-in on 4chan. I like to keep up with what's going on there code wise to see how bad things really are. Some observations;
I discovered another set of key words that are shadow banned. If you post them (or a phrase including some of them) your post will go through but it will not be visible to other users. I'm up to a fairly long list of known keywords now. It doesn't matter how long you wait the post will never appear. But if you attempt to post shortly afterwards you'll still be denied due to the anti-spam cool down.
The "wait 900 seconds" dialog box is still there but now it's kicking in even if you hold on to the cookie. Obviously, if you use Librewolf or another browser that dumps cookies you'll be stuck with waiting again if you close your browser session. But it's doing something funky with stock firefox now as well.
Certain keywords almost instantly trigger bot responses. Certain threads are the same way. Usually the generals. You can tell it isn't a real person because they reply way too fast with the same canned reply over and over again. Typically, something mean and discouraging.
There are two lists of no-no words now. One is outright shadow banned. The other alerts moderation and/or the companies getting paid to shit the place us. But your posts will appear for awhile at least. But if you keep at it after 2-3 posts with said keywords you get flagged for a global shadow ban and the website sets 3 or 4 cookies it doesn't normally set. I'm going to try to trigger this again tomorrow and inspect the contents of those cookies to get an idea of what they're about. They didn't exist the last time I visited several months ago.
I think it's helpful to keep up with the goings on over there tech wise because it's a good indication of what other platforms are probably doing behind the scenes.
This is the end of my autism report.
No.135859
>>135857Wanted to add. I do these tests over a wide variety of websites every few months. Most of the time people try to explain away what I'm talking about with something like
>they're just shitpostingbut what I discovered is pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain. There is a long list of key words that if posted anywhere on the web trigger either a shadow ban or instant responses from bot swarms no matter what hour of the day you post them. They do not reply with common shitposting phrases most of the time either. It isn't just a bunch of people mashing F5 and posting
>kys faggotIt's usually a sentence/phrase that you'll rarely see posted anywhere along with some common forced meme phrase tacked on to the end. Basically, they try to explain whatever you said away with flawed logic then accuse you of being crazy/deranged/mistaken/stupid/old/"them" etc. It's usually worded in such a way that it's a discouraging personal attack.
When these responses come from actual named accounts you can never get any true discourse out of them. They still can't follow logic well and don't get common references. Much like the bots of old that couldn't read text in images. You can prod them a little and make them core dump in other words.
From what I've gathered what is happening is this; Some organization(s) has software similar to Google Alerts set-up to watch the entire web. When you post certain keywords/links whomever is in control of it gets alerted. From there their system will send an automated response (or 3) from obvious bot accounts. Mostly brand new accounts with little history (when you can view such things) or old accounts that have obviously not been logged into from the original owner in a long time.
This system will attempt to bait and derail you through personal attacks. If you do not take the bait it will spazz out. But when it does that it sends an alert to an actual person. Who will always respond within a few minutes. You can tell it's a real person because they'll make a minor attempt at actually arguing a bit with you. If you don't take _their_ bait and continue to reply to them while extending on the original keyword you posted that got their attention there will be a 10-30 minute lag until their next reply to you. Usually, not a very good one and usually in anger. It's at this point you'll find yourself either shadow banned or outright banned from where ever it was you had this interaction. These people are not moderators by the way (at least the accounts they're using at the time aren't). But they always seem to have a direct line to the mods/admin on whatever platform. Usually they're also "trusted reporters" as well.
I've seen this same pattern going on more places than you could ever imagine. I would post the key words here as an example but I don't want to bring attention to this place. So you'll have to take my word for it. The keywords are pretty easy to discover on your own and I'm still finding new ones all of the time. No doubt new ones are being added all of the time....
Anyway, I test this stuff on 4chan because that seems to be the main hub where they beta test this system before deploying new updates of it to platforms with accounts. Since they don't have to do the same legwork on an anonymous imageboard as they do on places like youtube, twitter and the usual places (some obscure forums are worse than those two believe it or not).
I see the same phrases and what has to be the same actual people running these bot swarms all over the place. It's obvious all the actual humans are trained the same way and that this is their day job. It's like Shareblue on steroids.
I'm compiling my findings and writing a short book/guide about this. Which I'll probably not be able to publish anywhere. It'll be a v2.0 of the "Gentleman's guide to forum spies" since a lot has happened since v1.0 was published over a decade ago now. Their tools are getting really advanced these days. This is probably the main reason why LLMs exist in the first place. I suspect (read: know) this same system is being used to monitor all phone calls as well (they admitted it years ago) and probably for many other things we're not aware of.
Spying sure is interesting subject. Thanks for reading my blog.
No.135861
>>135857>>135859ANY evidence of what you've said would be great, you know. Maybe I'm just not posting on the "right boards", but I haven't seen any of what you've posted about.
Seriously, why not just post the keywords? Embed them in an wavy, noisy image if you're really afraid of attention being drawn here.
No.135865
>>135857Are you willing to share your list?
I've been seeking one for a couple years now actually; very frustrating when the few times I need to make a long post and I'm trying to isolate whatever is getting flagged, since they just don't tell me what to remove.
No.135879
Did zzzchan die?
No.135880
>>135879Hmm, strange. I did look at it for the hell of it a couple weeks ago and it seemed to be working fine, albeit a fair amount of boards were abandoned. I didn't see any announcements about problems, although Russia blocked it apparently. The /v/ board was the most active one by far, but I can't really remember much else.
No.135897
>>135896>canadians reporting us over cartoonsv.....................
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No.135898
>>135857This was an interesting read.
I have a strange story and that's when I tried to post on 4chans /cm/ board only for the site to say "post successful" and my post not show up, the content was only this panorama and saying that I'm willing to make more. what's odd is that before trying to make that post I haven't posted on 4chan in 12 years, I have moved, switched ISPs and have a new router and modem.
In attempting to fix the issue I have tried the following:
- Removing texts so it's only the image
- Switching to a fresh browser with no add-ons I tried both chrome(gross) Librefox, firefox and brave
- resetting my IP
- Waiting 5 days and trying again
- converting my image into other formats
- Changing the filename
- Using a proxy/VPN
Guess what? Nothing worked it just doesn't make sense to me.
No.135901
>>135900in the most recent part of that thread, the guy (probably the same) complaining about engine choice and development being on wapchan and not 4/jp/, overall doom and gloom
like just take it easy~, it's free, F R E E
No.135902
I'm very confused by the guy spamming down the thread about how they need to use AI. What's the point in doing a fun project if you don't do it yourself?
No.135903
it's trolling of course. AI doesn't actually work
No.135905
As long as you don't leave it in as the final product, I don't have an issue using AI to streamline work. It's not like anyone is going to notice if you trace it and bother to fix it up.
No.135906
I just received a Mixi2 invite from a friend. It seems to be really popping off with the Japanese.
I wonder if this is where they and X (deadbird) part ways.
No.135914
>>135906I would be very happy if the Japanese excise themselves from the western web once and for all.
No.135919
>>135906Is it another twitter clone? Seems like that's the dominant form of social site creation these days.
No.135921
>>135919Is a fediverse/mastodon clone if anything.
No.135922
Reddit isn't even in the public consciousness nowadays... Just twitter and Facebook..
No.135923
dude FACEBOOK isnt in the public consciousness
No.135924
>>135923well, as meta it's relevant
No.135925
>>135914Yeah, the web should be divided into separate, but equal, internets.
>>135923It's how old people (25+) stay connected with their IRL friends to share baby pictures and stuff.
No.135942
https://boards.4chan.org/jp/thread/48489697Looks like the project to continue development on Shanghai.EXE, a Mega Man Battle Network-inspired Touhou fangame that got C&D'd, is dead. At least unless someone else picks it up, that is.
No.135955
>>135954you know those guys? what would you say is nice about them?
No.135956
>>135955Let's see:
>They've hosted /kind/ for over a year now, helped restore their classic theme and got the old kindmin on board>Site has an easygoing culture (probably due to banning political discussion).>Somewhat themed around Urusei Yatsura and other Rumiko works>Banned wojaks and pepes>Even though it was founded by /a/nons, it's more focused on actual discussion instead of shitposting>They have a radio>Every board has unique CSS>Admin is active and unusually transparent for an imageboardIt's almost like /qa/ if it was more /a/ instead of /jp/, or maybe an anonymous version of the forums of old.
No.135958
>>135957Doesn't seem like it, but I'm sure you could request them in the /wap/ board. Currently it's a mix of old anime bgm and touhou music.
No.135961
>>135956>it's more focused on actual discussion instead of shitpostingSo nothing like us.
No.135962
>>135961No,"shitposting culture" is very much
NOT kissu.
I don't have any problems with wapchan, but I'm not sure kissu has ever talked about doing a webring/friends thing with anyone. Unfortunately the 8chan people tainted the webring term on imageboards so it implies a specific culture that we don't have, but I guess if you made old-fashioned gif links people would know what you meant. Maybe.
No.135963
>>135961>>135962This was meant to be in reference to 4chan's /a/, not kissu.
No.135964
>>135962Wapchan isn't part of the ex-8chan "webring", but they do maintain relations with other sites through crosslinking.
https://wapchan.org/netfriends.html No.135965
>>135964I know, that's why I mentioned that the term could mean something to people that's unintended.
No.135967
>>135959I think people tend to misuse it because it's the only way you can color text. Then again, the only place I've ever seen that actually cares about it deeply is the hellhole known as heyuri.
No.135969
>>135962Measure the number of times Himari under a blanket has been posted to the number of times people have actually talked about AiPri. This is very much a shitposting site.
No.135970
round these parts we call it FUNposting
No.135971
>>135969You're confusing silly, non-serious posts with bothersome ones known as "shitposting" where people are purposely abrasive and "low quality", typically full of general template phrases from the wider internet.
You can't expect to have a lot of AiPri discussion when it's a silly and extremely niche. The fun threads pop up relatively often and people can interact without having watched the show. That's basically the essence of imageboards if you ask me, and it's the way culture grows. If you have hundreds of thousands of users like 4chan you can have a general thread that struggles to stay alive (and it's the only place AiPri exists) but that's heavily limited in its own way.
Such is the fate of niche stuff.
No.135973
>>135967¥ he doesn't knowIt's a funny cultural thing, I don't think anyone here really cares outside of funny haha smartass "who quote" opportunities. 4/jp/ is a different story since site culture at large is much different as there are far more people using it to be a rude asshole with their ebic maymay greentext and ergo get called out.
And they lack
the super cool tricks we have so longpost readability is harder when it's all a blob of white text, especially if you're afraid of being called out for "reddit spacing" which thankfully I've seen less of. It's just down to who's using it, our markdown would be abused just as much if most users were the exact retards who abuse it over there.
>the only place I've ever seen that actually cares about it deeply is the hellhole known as heyuriI've not been to heyuri and I don't intend to, so I don't have a horse in that race.
No.135974
>>135954>and they have a largely similar culture to us.They clearly hate lolicons.
No.135980
>>135974It doesn't seem like that way at all.
https://wapchan.org/cel/res/735.htmlhttps://wapchan.org/digi/res/41.htmlYou would think posts like this would get deleted or edited if they "hated lolicons". It is true that it's not a very common topic on the site, but there's nothing in the rules against it.
No.135981
>>135974I visited the site and the first banner I saw was from Creamy Mami, a well known lolicon show.
No.135986
>>135971There's an old phrase: "one's anon's funpost is another anon's shitpost." The difference between "silly" and "abrasive" is a matter of perspective and which meme words are acceptable depends on the people present. Surely you can see how going into a bunch of random threads and reposting the same image and canned text would be bothersome to some people. I think IBs need a certain tolerance for shitposting as they can lead to funny exchanges and a more cohesive culture, but a shitpost is a shitpost no matter what you call it. If you're using the term purely to refer to openly malicious posts, I think you're misusing it.
4/a/ is actually a good example of a place that held "serious discussion" as a holy grail, wiped out most of its own culture in pursuit of that, ended up with a board full of generals to facilitate it, then descended into unprecedented shitposting and spam waiting for it to come. Even the 15 minutes after a new episode drops and people stop to fulfill the thread's purpose are hard to take advantage of when the perma-bumpers just see it as a distraction. Also, I'm pretty sure smug has an AiPri thread, it's just a continuation of the previous season's thread because they're retarded.
No.135991
>>135980I was dragged through the mud by several people on wapkind and post deleted for encouraging people to be helpful and considering them friends rather than pushing people away. Haven't returned since despite being a member for many years before the revival. I would not trust that the same will not happen to anyone else.
No.135992
I think the quote is
>One man's culture is another man's shitpost.
From moot's screed justifying his forthcoming destruction of boards such as /a/. Uncoincidentally from the same news post announcing sage would be hidden.
No.135993
Someone posted this on wapchan so I figured I'd answer some questions.
>>135954I'm open to the idea myself if verniy is.
>>135957If you want a song to be added you can post a request. I try to source high quality versions of tracks.
>>135959Yeah, lol.
>>135974This isn't true. I'm not really a lolicon myself but I don't have issues with them provided they follow the rules (especially around NSFW content)
>>135991You would have to talk to the kindmin about this one. I will say that the board isn't exactly the same as it as on 8chan because wapchan is a different site with different (stricter) rules, especially in regards to bigotry.
I have lurked on here before. It's certainly the best /jp/-esque place I've found, though I didn't browse old /qa/ on 4chan so I'm less familiar with that.
No.135995
>>135993i'm not organizing any group events because there's nothing to do together
No.135997
>>135995Don't be so pessimistic.
We do anime streams and multiplayer games at least, but we could always think of other things if there's a larger and more varied group to draw from. New Year's is coming up which means it will be gikopoi time and that generally links up a few imageboard/textboards together in a shared little cat world.
(reposted to reply to the proper reply in the same thread)
No.136000
>>135993I'm not Vern, but we'd be fine with people having cross-promoting streams and events from wapchan on here and the inverse.
Also, I guess /kind/ is the continuation of the old kind that spawned off ota? Looks exactly the same.
No.136006
>>136005I made a few posts there recently, but this made me actually read their rules and now I'm pretty annoyed by seeing them posted around too.
No.136007
>>136005i think theyve just been doing more outreach recently
>>136006none of the rules seem particularly bad though the ai art ban won't have many fans around here
No.136008
>>136006I don't think it's that bad, their rules weren't anything I was ever at risk of breaking and seem to want people to post with pre-2015 sensibilities. It's a good thing they're getting their name out, I learned of wapchan with the 4/jp/ VN thread, though I realize it's also linked with the rottingangels board we talked about a while ago. While it doesn't fit my interests I know there's plenty of people who are pining for that kind of culture.
>>136007The AI art one is probably the most contentious, but I get they'd rather see generic anime image macros over some trash someone generated as a throwaway reaction image.
No.136009
>>136005figamin helped to rebuild 39chan recently
https://39chan.moe/meta/res/140.htmlseems to be quite the mover and shaker around altchans lately
No.136010
>>136007The AI art ban is actually something I like, but banning "bigotry" and then the very next line saying "no politics" is hypocritical and proof enough that the moderation holds very different ideals than my own.
No.136011
>>136010what ideals of yours would even be infringed upon by these rules? seems to me like they just don't want post election /pol/ type culture, not that different from kissu rules on extreme political content. its likely that they consider bigotry to not be a topic they want to debate people on the merits of. i guess thats hypocritical strictly speaking but i dont care honestly and i doubt most of the users there do, since spamming slurs "for the lulz" just derails actual conversations
No.136012
>>136010I don't see it as contradictory. It cuts out IRL hate speech and current politics not because they're soft, but because it doesn't contribute to anything they want to talk about. i.e. filters out your /pol/ types who cant comprehend talking about anime or games without wheeling the conversation back around to their all encompassing list of "group of people I really don't like".
Rules like that keep shit like this from happening.
No.136013
>>136010The site actually seems pretty loose with this rule. There's a thread on there where it's clearly some /pol/ guy trying to bait the admin and nothing actually happens because he broke none of the rules
https://wapchan.org/cel/res/2260.html No.136014
Its rules aren't any different from all the other "do not post like you're on 4chan" imageboards out there, including kissu. You're objecting more to the word "bigotry" and assuming that it means they're your enemy which is showing your own biases. It's already baked into the rules for every other place.
There's a big difference between the shoop da woop or randomly calling people fags and derailing threads over racial/etc spiels and trying to get people angry.
>>136007>i think theyve just been doing more outreach recentlyYeah, it's good to interact with other communities. It should be expected if people are talking about the place and they want to get input or just engage with other people. If people want to talk about a person or place and then get annoyed when the subject of discussion show up, then it's just rude gossiping.
No.136015
>>136014>If people want to talk about a person or place and then get annoyed when the subject of discussion show up, then it's just rude gossiping.The subject of conversation showing up in this thread is pretty common. Three instances just on this page that I can spot, rottingangels admin, nameless rumia, and figamin. For this reason I try to stay polite, I'd much rather say "oh hey it's 'that' guy!" over "oh, it's 'that' guy…" if they pop in.
No.136016
>>136014"Randomly calling people fags" counts as "posting like you're on 4chan" and is something that very few imageboards out there explicitly forbid, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that some imageboard users wouldn't want to post on a site where politically incorrect words can get you banned for being "bigoted". It's more common to have imageboards that only forbid modern 4chan buzzwords and/or politics in general, and still don't have people randomly calling each other fags as a side effect, because the users understand that such posts are low quality without having to be told that it's mean and evil hate speech.
No.136017
>>136016I disagree, I think calling someone a fag or using fag as a suffix is kosher and should always be kosher.
Being playfully racist and bigoted is kosher, don't be such an uptight prude my nigga.
No.136018
>>136016Nothing in the rules calls bigotry "evil", "mean" or "hate speech". They probably have more issue with the fact that it's almost always synonymous with low quality/off topic posts, as shown by the example they give being "troon" which I have never seen used in an actual intelligent conversation, and which is almost always accompanied by kuso soyjak edits.
No.136019
>>136018>They probably have more issue with the fact that it's almost always synonymous with low quality/off topic postsThis is not what calling it "bigotry" communicates. They have a rule against wojaks because "they don't fit the theme of the site", but the word "t-oon" is treated differently, the no-bigotry rule even mentions that just using the word will earn you a permanent ban, unlike all the other rules. Stop being dishonest.
No.136020
>>136019Its what it communicates to those of us who arent predisposed to believe that any site saying they dont want bigotry is the enemy. Clearly youre sympathetic or at least neutral towards /pol/ types, so the site isnt for you. Luckily theres a bunch of other imageboards out there that have no problem with that so youre free to use them.
No.136023
>>136010i agree with everything you said, "bigotry" resonates with a peciular tohnochan post. which lead the downfall of imageboard in post. using another term would be better...
No.136024
>>136020You mention other people's biases but you fail to see your own, it's entirely possible to dislike both /pol/ types and that kind of rule. The owner of that other imageboard that had "bigotry" in its rules removed it after people explained why it was problematic in this very thread. Also I've known about wapchan since its inception on 4/a/ and I've never been interested in it, that's not the point.
No.136027
>>136023what tohnochan post and what imageboard?
No.136028
>>136027it was in thread of tohnochan mentions in worldwide web, i've been trying to find it but forgotten if it was in a hidden board. the imageboard is hard to locate as it wasn't mention + css style, only cropped screenshots provided by poster.
No.136029
Seems there is a lot of debate on rule 2. I was probably too broad on it.
Would something like "We don't tolerate disruptive language. Please stay on topic when using the site. If you come here just to rant about groups you don't like you will be banned." be better?
I can see how
>>135082 makes a reasonable argument. There hasn't actually been any bans related to this rule yet.
No.136030
>alot
just one guy
No.136033
i think the funniest part about this debate is that it's been more active than all of wapchan in the same timespan. proves this guy
>>136019 was purely here to stir shit.
>>136029you're fine. don't bend the knee to retards
No.136035
>>136029Your wording is specific and I do prefer it over "bigotry".
As reference:
> 2. We don't tolerate bigotry. Please be mindful of this. Buzzwords like "troon" will get you permanently banned.to
> 2. We maintain a respectful community and expect all posters to engage in constructive dialogue. Please keep your posts on-topic and refrain from using inflammatory language or making derogatory remarks about specific groups. Failure to do so will get you permanently banned.or
> 2. We encourage respectful and on-topic discussions, posts that encourage any form of disrespectful or inflammatory content will not be tolerated. No.136038
>>136037should I delete or at least make that page unreadable...
No.136039
>>136037don't see anything wrong with those rules, they're pretty concrete, last one just allows leeway for whatever without needing a specific rule against it
No.136040
>>136011You don't need to ban "bigotry" to prevent /pol/ culture, you don't even need to ban politics. Personally, I think politics bans are overly broad and prevent good, funny, or relevant posts from being made, but I can accept assuming they're off-topic for a retro anime board. But banning people from insulting whatever modern political groupings the moderation has decided are to be protected is a political statement from the moderation and banning political discussion after that is saying that users cannot outwardly disagree with those politics. The greatest benefit of anonymity is that you can speak without needing to filter yourself for the sake of your reputation or relationships. You can hate faggots and still make good posts and I like being able to see people's prejudices laid bare.
No.136041
>>136038Eh, why? This whole conversation is because someone was bothered by a word and people are taking it to heart too much. Rules establish the cultural baseline and people like different imageboard cultures. Not everyone has to agree with each board's rules.
No.136044
>>136037>swastikasThat's just silly, but the rest is pretty reasonable self-protection stuff and "we're not 2008 4/b/".
>>136029Honestly, if it hasn't been an issue on the site I'd just leave it at "all posts should relate to the topic of the board" and you can address people thinking that stuff is related to retro anime/gaming/kindness if it becomes an issue. I get being concerned about banned-from-4chan people bringing shitposting over, but when 4chan is auto-deleting posts for saying niggerfaggot you probably don't want to give the impression you do the same. Rules are how you present yourself to new users and people looking for a new IB to post on are likely to be sensitive to potential moderation biases against them. I don't want to get invested in a community only to get perma'd for making a racist joke or something.
No.136046
>>136040>But banning people from insulting whatever modern political groupings the moderation has decided are to be protected is a political statement from the moderation and banning political discussion after that is saying that users cannot outwardly disagree with those politics.I see where you're coming from now. You're afraid that banning politics means you cannot criticize when moderation drags in politics. That by banning XYZ means the moderation can use it as a cudgel to ban you for calling them out for breaking their own rules, am I correct in that statement?
I guess giving moderation the benefit of common sense and trusting they won't shit where they eat isn't an option, maybe I was setting my expectations too high and that all moderation is never above a discord or reddit level of arbitration.
Yeah I get it, seen it before where old guard gets replaced by normalfags when
thing gets popular and they go on a power trip over their little fiefdom (SCP anyone?); but, cmon, it's /a/ & /jp/ spinoffs and otaku culture. I would think admins are well aware of that sort of takeover and prefers to foster /a/ & /jp/ culture, why else would they make their imageboard in the first place if not to post there without having to worry about all the extra baggage modern internet has? Having a userbase that doesn't jump at obvious bait like a pack of rabid dogs also helps, that linked /pol/tard from earlier with his bait thread didn't get much attention and it died off. If admins run a tight ship, I just don't see how the site could slide into political tribalism if you just keep any of that shit out in the first place. Sure the rules could be clarified since some troglodyte coming to rules lawyer is an inevitability, but I'm pretty confident most everyone here understands the spirit of the rules.
All in all I think it's a non-issue and if there comes a time it becomes a bigger problem then I have faith the admin can sort it out.
>>136044>That's just sillyContext context context. Unless it's about a Hearts of Iron mod or something, posting the nazi flag (and usually paired with is a pretty obvious sign you're not there to be a genuine poster. It's an easy excuse to boot retards. Meanwhile if the topic fits it I could post it in the original religious context without worrying of catching a ban. Could it be abused? Yes, I can easily imagine a dumb mod confusing a manji for a swastika and banning me on the spot because it violates the letter of the rule, but I doubt it here.
>I don't want to get invested in a community only to get perma'd for making a racist joke or something.At what point in any conversation is an accidental racist joke serious enough for a ban a risk? It's not like you're talking face to face, you can quite literally read the room. When I think of getting perma b& for a racist joke I think posting the Total Nigger Death copypasta unprompted in a K-On! thread, and the things in /trans/. Maybe your 'power level' is too high for my puny mortal comprehension and that's why I don't understand your problem, but I heavily doubt a casual remark about comparing some character or group gypsies in an on-topic post is going to twist panties enough for a ban; if it's not a political diatribe baiting for a thread derailment I don't see how it's an issue. Hate to be the guy who says "just use common sense lol", but just use common sense lol.
In any case I think this conversation's dragged on long enough with points made for and against rules that admins can act on if they wish. I wrote too much and I'll stop now ;_;
No.136062
>>136046Basically, yeah. Mods don't need rules to ban you, but the rules do give you an indication of how mods are going to act and what kind of thing they take personal offense to. If the rules just said "no politics" I could give the benefit of the doubt and assume it means people from both sides need to leave that stuff at home, but when it reads "if you insult tr**ns then I'll permaban you, also no politics teehee" then it looks like the moderation is just being one of those Discord/Reddit admins who use force to keep out anyone who isn't aligned with their politics. I value the clash of viewpoints you get from everyone being able to insult one another so I wouldn't want to be a part of a place that does that, even if it wasn't also putting me at risk of being banned over some stupid little joke.
I'm pretty sure like 99% of people coming to altchans are 4chan veterans who are getting out for one reason or another and given that mods there are notorious for being fags the expectation of mods to use the rules to beat people they don't like into submission is going to be carried by most of your new visitors. I believe the admin has good intentions and just worded things poorly based on what he's said here, but the site itself asks you to read the rules before posting (lol) and if you combine that with a random post somewhere like here saying "oh, we're pretty strict about the no bigotry rule" then would you really stop to dig deeper into whether that's actually acted upon or move on to one of the dozens of other altchans (or worse, conclude they're all the same shit and sticking with 4chan is the best you can hope for in modern times)?
Also, what's silly is putting a picture of an anime girl doing a heil in the same category as a call to action. I know the rule isn't enforced here, but new users won't and the respectful ones who read the rules and try to fit in don't need the worry of whether the humorous context of their post is enough to make it acceptable. Essentially, highly specific rules give the impression that context doesn't matter.
No.136063
>>136047holy flip it's junko!
No.136064
>>136063Hell yeah Nazi Junko fuck yeah
No.136065
>We don't tolerate bigotry. Please be mindful of this. Buzzwords like "troon" will get you permanently banned.
>We maintain a respectful community and expect all posters to engage in constructive dialogue. Please keep your posts on-topic and refrain from using inflammatory language or making derogatory remarks about specific groups. Failure to do so will get you permanently banned.
The old version of rule 2 was much better. The new one is too vague and will make a lot more people worry about whether they're going to get permabanned than the previous version did. For example, the new version can be read as saying you'll permaban someone for getting mad in an argument and throwing out some insults instead of constructive dialogue.
If there's a problem with the old version, it's the language "will get you permanently banned" which is still present in the new version. Moderators should be making individual judgements about whether a particular case merits a permanent ban.
No.136066
>>135082n°1 reason these rule exist on small imageboards is only because the admin doesn't get in a fight with their personal e-friends.
That's really just it. If you are a known staff on a non-XYZ friendly site, you can't have friends from XYZ because they'll inevitably pass part of their frustration onto you, or just feel betrayed.
In the end these sites exists for the admin's enjoyment. They aren't gonna abandon their personal clique for the sake of a bunch of anons.
No.136067
I don't get payed enough to do this for the sake of anons
No.136068
ideologically an admin exists for the benefit of the existing site culture. Not hypothetically to protect an ideal of freespeach and open borders. It's just your own ideals being passed onto admins you disagree with
No.136071
has anyone realized that all of these debate posts about wapchans rules would be much better actually on wapchan? where the users of the site can actually see it? instead its spamming this thread where its completely off topic
No.136072
yep
No.136073
>>136071since when has the happenings thread ever been on topic besides when it's completely dead
No.136075
>>136071I have to counter this comment to say that this conversation is perfectly acceptable and welcome in this thread and it's happening because people enjoy engaging in it.
Meta talk in the happenings thread is not offtopic. Imageboard rules and culture concern everyone that uses them. This conversation started because of a happening involving 4/jp/ and wapchan working on a Touhou VN, and conversation naturally drifted into related things. Years ago when 8chan was in the process of imploding this thread was dominated by its discussion, so much so that it was linked around as a place for people to learn about things. This thread isn't meant to just be a place of direct value to kissu users, but a place for people to talk about text/imageboards in general. This is why the rules here are a bit more lax.
No.136076
>>136075That being said, I could potentially move it into its own thread if people want to have a lengthy discussion about imageboard rules. I have a feeling that the conversation is mostly finished, however.
No.136077
>>136071I don't care if they see it because I'm not trying to change how wapchan operates. Like anons said, they're free to have their own culture, ideals, and friends. I've made like three posts on their site and am not at all invested in it so it's not my place to barge in and tell them to change. What we're discussing was sparked by wapchan being mentioned, but the issue is larger than any one site and I would like kissu people to keep it in mind as I am invested in this site and community.
No.136079
fetty wap
No.136080
I miss the sharing culture. Threads like comiket dumps will never happen.
No.136089
>>136080wasn't because of begging ruin it? dumps moved to doujinstyle
No.136094
>>136089Most of the stuff was reposted from japanese p2p networks and they are dead now.
No.136095
>>136094technically still active but more obscure like share on hyphanet
No.136106
>>136095Japanese freenet users are measured in doznes in my experience
No.136133
>>136066Sounds easily solved by having no friends B)
No.136187
>>135991Some of this is questionable, but I don't want to get bogged down arguing. It's true that your post was deleted. That was an overreach on my part. All the complaining about /kind/ on and off the board got to me. That incident where an oldfriend got dogpiled for merely suggesting he might have "prejudiced" views disturbed me too. Nothing like that had happened on any other instance of the board. After all this, I developed a foolish mindset of wanting to avoid all controversy. Your post being deleted was the result. Now I understand /kind/ needs to be itself unapologetically or risk losing what makes it special. Anyway, I hope you give /kind/ another chance someday. It could use more friends like you who get it.
No.136213
>>136208how can you undo nothing
No.136400
>>136399Hmmm, don't see anything to convince me that this trip user is doing more than trolling or roleplay:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/tripcode/AshKOb5.II/Not saying it's impossible, but I trust this as much as I trust QAnon.
No.136401
No, wait, I take that back. The tripfag posted pic
here and the UI at the bottom (view engagements on the left, admin portal on the right) implies it really is Elon himself.
Is he retarded enough to commit the basic blunder of not opening incognito, or did someone spoof admin shit to better bait people with? I don't know, but that's the one piece that would point towards it being him.
No.136404
can't believe people are this gullible honestly
No.136411
>>136409You can also wait 15 minutes.
No, it hasn't helped with spam at all and you get annoyed by it almost every time your IP changes.
No.136417
>>136404>>136406You guys are being mean! He qualified it with "alleged". The guy made an AI frog his twitter avatar and named himself "Kekimus Maximus" so you can't use the older, saner way of thinking.
No.136418
>>136417It was stupid and only a moron would even entertain the idea that it is real.
No.136419
>>136412Hiro wants every poster to stop and think "is what I'm posting important enough to spend 15 minutes saying it" before making a post on 4chan. This mindset will help ensure the site is filled with only high-quality posters, obsessive shitposters, and bots.
No.136420
>>136399Elon Musk is going to make anime real. His Mars colony will be populated by genetically engineered kemonomimi shabs straight out of Utawarerumono.
No.136421
>>136411this doesn't actually work for me, after the timer expires nothing actually happens
honestly i don't really care anymore at this point
No.136423
>>136420how long did that take to crack
No.136431
>>136424cute doll, but is something wrong with her neck...?
No.136436
>>136423I just did the easiest thing which was search the web for the string. Sometimes that's enough to find it in an existing list. In this case the guy had already posted it:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/493145966/#493176247But it wouldn't have taken too long to crack since only the first 8 characters of the password are used.
No.136537
archives r ded
No.136552
>>136537They are still archiving but search is not currently enabled
No.136565
No self promotion of frog/wojak boards in the happenings thread or anywhere on kissu for that matter.
No.136573
>>134598something i noticed how these temporary email services may get your home ip address banned for unknown amount of time since these emails are being shared, currently i have a ban for entire month from
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/39580694/ which is just reposted spam from 2 years ago
proxy service to post with captcha only exists for free anyways poor ecker
>>136565wasnt self promotion as i stumble across merklemap to find hidden secrets for different imageboards
from thread subject description
>Post interesting or unusual stuff concerning imageboards, textboards or related stuff here.its obvious
to me it is related to bantculture.com
No.136621
>>136573You didn't read between the lines
Only imageboards that belong to the clique may be discussed.
No.136623
>>136621There has recently been a host of 4chan.*** domains registered and promoted. They're dubious at best, and seeing a "qa" one flatly posted with no information is extremely suspicious. The /qa/ name refers to us or the wojak ragecomic army the 4chan mods birthed which raids and wipes out imageboards. It's not a group that's allowed to promote itself here for what should be obvious reasons. There's also the matter that no place enjoys empty imageboards ads.
The other deleted posts feature a guy that spams and roleplays as a frogposter from the 4/qa/ days for some unknown reason, and it would be pretty silly to not delete the guy that imagines himself as a comic book villain of ours.
I do plan to keep oppressing these marginalized groups.
No.136624
>>136623I am glad to see them terminated with extreme prejudice too.
No.136632
>>136623>The /qa/ name refers to us or the wojak ragecomic army>I was /qa/ before bothAh, so this is what knife to the heart feels like
But yes, there was a burst of frog activity on the other hap a few hours ago too. Funny how that one guy spawned a generation of copycats several years after he disappeared.
I'm convinced he was from ota. No.136633
>>136632Hyper dedicated autists? From the /jp/sphere? Surely you jest!
No.136634
>>136632>knife to the heartWell, I was going to mention that, but 2015 /qa/ people barely exist and they certainly don't as a group. I guess there's at least two of us here then.
I'd like to know where the rest of them went, but it's
TEN years ago now. Probably on twitter or discord like everyone else.
>I'm convinced he was from ota.Yeah, it was a running theory that the truly deranged individual(s) were from ota, mero or hima since they all had antisocial elements with severe mental illness to them.
No.136635
>>136634>I'd like to know where the rest of them went, but it's TEN years ago nowWe were 50 or so randos from disparate corners of the site and barely overlapping interests, except for a pejorative that could be roughly summarized as "man i love 4chan".
Part of the magic was everyone's eagerness to talk about their experiences in their turf. And deprived that hangout, they returned to their corners.
No.136636
god you people sound insufferable
No.136766
>>136765
what's this supposed to be about? Some roleplay?
No.136768
Was almost tempted into making a post on 4chan, but either the 15 minute timer is required every time you post on a new board or your posting authorization expires after a few days. I guess I'll find out which it is next week when I go to get banned from /a/ for the anniversary. It's certainly more effective than any ban I've ever gotten at preventing me from posting, so kudos to them on finally figuring that out I guess.
No.136776
Oh, and I don't think anyone has mentioned this here, but the phrase "sekai ni" triggers the auto-delete function and makes your post vanish into the abyss for some incomprehensible reason possibly related to the Mushoku general, so you can't post screenshots of Megumin's show without editing the filename if you're using standard naming conventions.
And also there's a second five minute timer for making new threads the first time to further corral people into the same handful of threads.
No.136787
when is 4chan going to die?
No.136811
>>136787Never, eventually all the posters will be replaced with bots and it will live forever as a pit of nonsensical shitflinging and namecalling.
No.136812
>>136811But where do all the real human beans go then?
Is there ever going to be a migration or is everyone being herded into X or whatever?
I hate this Internet, I hate centralization.
No.136813
On other news the other /hap/ made someone so upset they started a campaign to advertise it everywhere so it's filled with shitters. And it's working.
>>136787heh. Hey just announced a price increase for the 4chan pass.
This can only mean one thing: 4chan is in the red.
No.136814
Everyone went to x formerly known as twitter ages ago. Having an account makes life so much easier
No.136817
well, the passes were the same price for over a decade since they came out right?
inflation has has plenty of time to creep
No.136823
>>136813Or he just thinks he can make more money using inflation as an excuse like everyone else. He's definitely pushing them hard with the recent changes and how a group of since4pass users mysteriously show up whenever anyone complains about the timers to act smug, so it's possible they're in another financial squeeze.
>>136812Probably Discord mostly. That's how over half the site want it to behave anyway. And half of who's left would just use Twitter and/or Reddit until an altchan centralizes enough of the remaining IB users to draw their attention. It would still be a big shakeup to the web, both from the horde of neckbeard vikings yelling nigger everywhere and as a herald of other format-dominating social media platforms' collapses.
No.136831
>>136823>Probably Discord mostlyWhat? No. Not comparable.
No.136837
Tohno-chan has gone poof.
No.136838
>>136837I just opened it to check? Still there.
No.136841
>>136838You're right, I just switched browsers and its clearly there. Phew
I guess I gotta update/clear Brave then.
No.136861
the REDDIT browser
No.136914
>>136890Does this mean if I purchase a pass now, they give me money?
No.136915
>>136914It's a percentage increase, not an absolute one.
No.136925
>>136917>spams reddit>recommends using sex toys on childrenwtf i love AI now
No.136927
kids do love toys
No.136928
>>136925it makes sense that a bot would have a fetish for seeing girls get fucked by vibrating mechanical penises
No.136935
>>136933someone put Xs over the dead ones...
No.136939
>>136933I'm pretty sure it's based on the origin point of user migrations. meguca and fufufu are both definitely shoot-offs of /a/ groups. And then there's stuff like /vg/, /pol/, and /r9k/ all pointing to Discord, they didn't make it they just have a bunch of people move there to chat about whatever general they're in.
No.136941
>>136890Finally someone thinking of the janitors.
No.136972
>>136933/a/ = no fun allowed
No.136988
>>136972Unfortunately most of 4/a/'s spinoffs are rooted in people that liked the 'self moderation' era and were jilted by it being forcibly ended.
No.137131
Someone carried out a shooting in the cafeteria of Antioch High School in Nashville today, killing one victim and himself and wounding another. Shortly before the shooting, a user on X, @Endingpointer, linked to a manifesto full of memes from a certain wojak-themed imageboard. The author claims he is black and ashamed of his race, praises previous livestreaming shooters such as Tarrant, and concludes his manifesto with "REMEMBER KEEP JAKKING 'TEENS".
No.137133
>>137131he probably fired hundreds of rounds while holding the gun sideways and only got two hits, then accidentally shot himself while reloading or clearing a jam
No.137136
>>137131Hope the feds shut down that kuso site already, gives the rest of us chans a bad name.
No.137137
waow i love feds!!!!!!!!!!!!
No.137138
>>137131I wish I had somehow done something more to stop these people back on old /qa/
No.137141
>>137131>"REMEMBER KEEP JAKKING 'TEENS".Is teen really imported /jp/ lingo for the group as a whole or he was from that specific subgroup that targets everything related to old /qa/?
No.137142
>>137141He was 17 years old, there's 0 chance he even knew what old /qa/ was.
No.137143
>>137131Each of these shooters is more pathetic degraded than the last, like a photocopy of a photocopy. They just cannot be sincere, even on the day they choose to die.
I made a policy at least 3 memeshooters ago not to learn their names or read any of the rarted shitsmears they scrawled out for attention.
No.137146
>>137141i always thought the soyteen moniker was an insult that became a name they used for themselves
No.137150
>>137147flesh fang shab teen
No.137151
>>137147I'm a sucker for those spike tip earrings.
No.137160
>>137158>that could withstand a decade of neglect and mismanagementWhile moot is certainly a better admin that hiro/rapeape, I have to wonder how much of this is just due to the momentum that 4chan had built up by that point
No.137164
>>137158Great, so the resident shitposters will always still be there wallowing in filth but the casual posters who actually do stuff then come to post about it like for creative content will just fall off.
No.137172
>>137158jesus christ just go take a piss and get a drink or something and the 900 seconds will be up
i dont understand how some of you people do anything
No.137180
dumb argumentative shitposter above me
No.137182
>>137172>just go take a piss for 15 minutesYou have a bladder disorder.
They also give you a way harder captcha for the first ~3 days after getting verified which is basically impossible half the time before you can go back to the normal, auto-solved one.
No.137183
>>137182>They also give you a way harder captchaif you fail any of their captchas even once then you have serious brain damage
No.137188
>>137182>They also give you a way harder captcha for the first ~3 daysIt's worse than that. You always get the harder captcha if you use Firefox with hardened privacy settings.
>>137183Even if you never fail, the extra effort for every post and report adds enough friction that I find myself interacting with the site a lot less, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
My off-the-cuff funposts that took less time to write than the old captcha usually got more engagement than my effortposts, and many of them did spark real, positive discussion down the line. Sounds to me like they're sabotaging one of their main sources of engagement.
No.137190
>>137189It's funny because I would rather spend the upfront effort of getting familiar with a dozen other imageboards than spend a dozen cryptofucks to reward Hiro or the Ape for what they've done.
No.137191
>>137190Addendum after a few seconds of thought: I think the effort most posters are willing to spend is proportional to the effort they expect in return.
On a fast site/board that will move on without you, a few seconds is a barrier. On a slower imageboard with a more tight-knit community where most replies are meaningful, it's peanuts.
No.137194
>>137189They were never made with an audience in mind, they were a way to reward donators who were giving money to the site anyway because they liked the community. Then Hiro, who doesn't understand that sites can be anything but a way to make money, came in thinking that was the product he needed to sell and has spent the last decade twisting the site around to try to create an audience for them. He tried making them Gold accounts that let you post on the super special board, he tried making them forum badges for showing off what an epic 2015 oldfag you are, he tried making them spam licenses for autists and shilling companies, and now he's trying to make them a requirement to post at all.
No.137196
>>137194Bold of you to assume Hiro is sentient.
The more reasonable explanation for his conduct is that post-2016 election tourists and post-2020 culture warriors generated more replies-which-generate
d-more-replies than sincere posters without the outrage bait, and he naively assumed that short term kneejerk engagement would translate to long term financial investment.
No.137202
>>137196I referenced it earlier in the thread but Hiro is at least checked in enough that he's paying the couple contractor devs 4chan has money to keep developing the captcha.
Now we can take our best shot trying to infer his motivation but we know for sure he's motivated enough to spend on dev cycles to keep up the tit for tat upgrades for the last several months.
No.137211
>>137158>depresses the hell out of me. Only because you haven't truly dug into moot's thoughts on 4chan and moderation and realized how much of a nepotistic asshole he was.
All ideals and anonymous ethics until one of his irl friends ask to get mod.
No.137212
>>137172>jesus christ just go take a piss and get a drink or something and the 900 seconds will be up>i dont understand how some of you people do anything>lowcaps>argment is just wait it out lmaoRisking a ban here but I'm compelled to ask you to check your PC privileges and remember over half of IBs posters use their phones.
No.137213
>>137212That's dumb and fuck the phoneposters, if they can't wait 15 minutes on their little screens then its their own damn fault.
No.137215
¥not taking advantage
No.137218
>>137212I would love if all phoneposters became permanently unable to post, almost as much as I would love the same happening to greenposters.
No.137220
>>137218Please think of the japanese salarymen who can only afford to browse IBs while commuting.
No.137221
>>137220They're shit and they're the reason ~95% of japanese media is shit. If all wageslaves/phoneposters were segregated into a separate society with a separate internet just imagine how much better everything on the NEETs-only internet would be. The wageslaves would still be taxed to pay for the NEET society of course. Imagine doing 40-man raids in MMOs for 15 hours straight with nobody leaving. Imagine if there was never another anime about boring shit like high school, working in an office, or being isekai'd into another world to work in a medieval office. Sites like reddit and twitter would become ghost towns and imageboards would become 10x better.
No.137222
>>137221>Imagine doing 40-man raids in MMOs for 15 hours straight with nobody leavingSounds awful I found a few hours to be too much listening to people talk and I played the game 15 hours straight.
>Imagine if there was never another anime about boring shit like high schoolBut I like some of those.
>and imageboards would become 10x better.A big majority of the worst most autistic awful posters that shit up boards all day long are already neets.
We need balance in life. I hate phoneposters because phones make people lazy, but remove all norms and neet society collapses from not having anyone to feel smugger than.
No.137225
>>137212>argument is just wait it outyes what do you want
do something else for 15 minutes its not a bother in the slightest
maybe its that youre a very busy entrepreneur with zero time to spare and not an internet dweller although i doubt that one
>but you are typing in lowcapsare you 12 years old
>check your PC privileges and remember over half of IBs posters use their phones.im just gonna say no
No.137226
lowcaps are a way of life
No.137227
>>137225dumber argumentativer lowercaser poster
No.137229
>>137228>I forgetwell i dont have that problem i think i might just be way smarter than you
>Even if I do remember to come back, the conversation has likely moved onpeople tend to not have the memory of a goldfish and will still understand what youre referring to 15 minutes after it
i think you might be confusing imageboard convos with rap battles
>or someone else has said basically what I wanted to sayif this happens that much then you dont often have something interesting to say
No.137235
>>137228If the conversation moved in 15 minutes that thread in question degenerated into a chatroom
Might as well not post at all, no interesting conversation will come from there.
No.137236
>>13723515 minutes is more than enough time for at least a moderately lengthy response and counter-response to be made that either clarify whatever you were going to say or move down a tangent different to what you were going to focus on, so at the very least you're going to have to make revisions based on what has happened in the meantime. It's not a chatroom just because people are talking fast, there also has to be a lack of direction for the conversation.
No.137238
I haven't set a foot in the cesspool since the elections, and I don't want to imagine how it must be after 20/01. I got a pass when I needed to reply fast for a multiplayer event, and I don't even know what to do with it now.
I wonder if the Hongfire forums still exist. I need a new place to migrate to.
No.137239
>>137238Hongfire got raped and destroyed a couple of years back.
The only real community for it is /hgg/ (on the webring 8ch).
No.137240
We have the erogame thread for thus btw
No.137241
>>137239Well, fuck. I'm looking at their last capture in Wayback Machine and it's not a pretty sight. Last time I was there had to be between 2008 and 2010. I remember it as a nice place.
>>137240I haven't played one of those in 20 years. After Clannad, after Clannad, I'm definitely happier with All-Ages version
No.137250
haven't thought about hongfire in a long while
No.137251
wish i got raped and destroyed
No.137252
>>137238All that's left of hongfire now is a discord.
Anime-sharing serves the same puprose now when it comes to ero-warez.
No.137272
arch.b4k.co has been dropped by the registrar after it was reported.
Last time I checked the archive of deleted opening posts for /v/, the board was getting spammed with CP. Coincidence?
No.137273
sigh
we really need to retire the concept of "image its ZOMG ILLEGAL to EVEN HAVE A TEMPORARY COPY OF" from society forever
No.137293
zzzchan has started banning loli due to the owner thinking that people that are posting it are using "innovative tactics" to get the site shut down. Any attempt to discuss this gets deleted even on their own /meta/ board.
No.137294
Has anyone else noticed being banned for a post you didnt make on cutiechan? Im not referring to phone data or the likes. Just your regular internet. For example i was banned for a post on /biz/ that was shilling some shitcoin, which i never made because i dont post on there. I was able to appeal that but then i also got banned because someone posted cutieshit and that was a unappealable 3 day ban.
What could be going on here?
No.137295
>>137294Your ISP may have assigned you a new IP. It's not exclusive to phone data. Most people have dynamic IPs it's just they don't change if you don't shut your internet off for long periods. You may also be a part of a botnet but this is less likely.
No.137299
>>137293What's the point in having a video game board where you can't discuss Unteralterbach? That was like half the reason for the /v/ exodus to 8chan in 2014.
No.137312
Can we focus on happenings again, please? We are starting a derail that may deserve its own thread.
No.137316
>>137315To clarify: what was deleted was a debate about CP and loli and tracing and stuff.
No.137329
>>137316Disingenuous summary. I accused anon of being a CSAM consumer disguising as a DFC enthusiast.
No.137330
my ban restrictions are off as soon as your posts were deleted
No.137331
>>137131He was a member of an enemy group of of ironic failtrolls who were trying to get a lot of people in trouble, for goodness sake he had Mr. Beast and Hasan in his manifesto.
No.137332
>>137329you consume more CSAM than he does
No.137333
>>137329Oh, sorry, I tried to smooth things over by painting over the ugly bits since it's my job as moderator not to let my own opinions influence things.
*Ahem*There was a slacktivist guy out of his element that should be a hacker on steroids chasing shadows somewhere else, perhaps the Chris Hanson fan forum. His zealotry over unrelated things was not asked for and is not the subject of the thread, so I deleted the posts so he could do his thing on 4chan or kiwifarms instead. At best his efforts were concern trolling and at worst he was sincerely imagining himself fighting some battle against evil instead of his own shadow.
No.137337
What happened to 4taba?
No.137338
>>137337Was it not closed by the admins of this site?
No.137339
>>137338Yeah. It got 30 posts a month and 28-29 were illegal spam ads. It's hard to find motivation to moderate the board every day when those are the numbers. Maybe it could be opened again at some point, maybe.
No.137340
>>137337it's supposed to be up, but not able to be posted, but I must have messed up on the start scripts/configuration moving the data to our home server because the software is as durable as glass.
No.137341
>>137336/qa/ should be X'd too
No.137344
Technically copypaste/hotwheels owns 420chan now, but I highly doubt he's going to do anything with the domain due to his remorse over the 8chan stuff.
No.137345
>>137342>>137344Fuck cripple-fatfur, he should either get off the pot or remake 420chan.
No.137347
>>137295>You may also be a part of a botnet but this is less likely.That is possible. Unfortunately i cannot control what my family downloads.
No.137355
>>137354
Good riddance, pissu on their grave.
No.137356
>>137342this diagram is stupid and makes no sense
No.137357
>>137356this diagram was made in either 2019 or 2020
No.137358
>>137333That's understandable, but letting such groups thrive poisons the well. Unteralterbach's impact changed Krautchan's demographics for the worse to the point the admin decided to kill the site.
No.137359
>>137358True enough, and its successor is ostracized from all other imageboards for carrying the torch. It's a real shame because it could have been a general 4chan competitor perhaps more than any other.
No.137362
wish people liked me enough for me to hold my own public q&a sessions.....
No.137364
>>137362You can always pretend to be someone else from the imageboard sphere and announce a Q&A. Not like anyone will ever know.
No.137376
After the archive stopped being easily accessible, somehow 4chan's /v/ changed a bit. Higher posting quality, less reposted spam, soyjacks and frogs threads stopped for a time. Unfortunately it seems to be devolving to to the normal situation after a few days.
I do hope places like Kissu are able to survive. 4 is a lost cause by now.
No.137377
>>137376>cutiechan is a lost cause by now>by nowYou are a decade too late for this statement.
No.137378
>>137358>Unteralterbach's impact changed Krautchan's demographics for the worse to the point the admin decided to kill the site.For the better, actually. And as for people deciding to kill sites over it, already covered in my post at
>>137273 No.137380
>>137377Even like that, I still had hopes it could be saved. But after the last year, not anymore. In the hypothetical scenario where it closes, it will be interesting to see to which communities the regulars will migrate.
No.137382
>>137272Admin made a temporary fix for the issue while he's trying to sort things out with the registrar.
https://rentry.org/3g6stb5g No.137384
>>137376This is pure placebo. Nothing changed.
No.137400
>>137397I still have access, but to be fair it's image dumping for the few threads that are active. I also don't intend to be mean, but when they were talking about a sekrit club board on /japan/ I thought they were talking about a different board I was not aware about, not bun.
There's still nenpo which I believe you just posted that same image in, but it's not touhou centric despite its theming.
No.137409
>>137398Can't believe this guy is still around. I don't keep up with all the webring offshoots anymore. But this is the same dude that burned /cow/'s streaming server to the ground in the most glorious way I've ever seen someone out a bunch of newbies. It was funny as hell watching chat that day. He live streamed himself reading 2hu doujins and they all had a meltdown. Wish I would have recorded it.
We had a lot of fun on another anon stream playing Soku tournament that this guy organized. Shame to see he's having so much trouble keeping an IB up. But it doesn't surprise me. He made A LOT of enemies.
No.137416
I really don't think we'll allow this thread to start talking about wojak sites in any serious capacity. It's quite antithetical to allow a presence that strongly wishes to hasten the demise of your own waning subculture. There is also significant drama involved which kissu really does not wish to invite here.
The good news is that those people seem to have ties to kiwifarms and also a significant presence in the 4chan happenings thread (blegh) so you could consider doing it in either of those places:
https://boards.4chan.org/r9k/thread/80188092 No.137417
>>137272Seems to be back up
https://arch.b4k.dev/>>137398Is this because of the cp bots? A shame, but everyone has to find their own solution to it.
No.137421
>>137398>easier to make an account system instead of manually whitelisting ips>I think that would defeat the purpose of being a somewhat anonymous imageboard.I don't understand that kind of logic. On a static IP you're not anonymous if the mod wants to look through your post history and on a dynamic one you don't change your IP every three posts. You're still anonymous as far as the other users of the site are concerned.
No.137424
>>137421IIRC it's not anonymity from a online paper trail, but the original point of being anonymous was that you didn't need to make an account to post and your handle or username or trip could be changed like a hat.
No.137426
>>137417Thanks. I will check later from home. Until I can't guarantee the CP has been removed, I am not risking checking it on a connection that is probably monitored.
>>137416In one more traditional community I still check from time to time, getting outed as an "Australian fruit farm" user is a guaranteed ban, and they are pretty good at sniffing alt accounts.
No.137429
Anonymous communication =! Untraceable communication.
As long as the emitter and receiver are on an equal, immutable standing, the purpose of anonymous communication is attained; The mechanics behind such communication are inconsequential.
>>137424 is also correct, the first reason people defended it was because logging in and out was considered a hassle for no benefit. People took some time to realize pseudonymous discussion wasn't actually better.
>>137416>It's quite antithetical to allow a presence that strongly wishes to hasten the demise of your own waning subculture. That presence is a direct consequence of kissu being mentioned on that thread you linked. It has a specific source: There's an anon that routinely gets told "go back to pissu" because he has a compulsive need to defend the IRC days every time old /qa/ gets brought up, problem is every single group from old /qa/ posts in that thread and they challenge his claims all the time. Then he turns sour and passive agressive, encouraging jak kids to troll him. It's a bit of a cycle.
I think he's the weirdo that used to go on about how every poster he didn't like was a samefag back then. Often alludes to single man targetted harassment campaigns.
Agree or disagree, he still brings attention to kissu that kissu doesn't need, and he does it every single time old /qa/ gets brought up. Doesn't let that community forget this place.
No.137431
>>137429>As long as the emitter and receiver are on an equal, immutable standing, the purpose of anonymous communication is attained; The mechanics behind such communication are inconsequential. Users with static IP are not on equal standing with dynamic IP ban evaders. When getting banned has actual consequences of not being able to post on the site anymore you always censor youself and calculate risk while evaders are free to shit the site up, sometimes subtly enough not to get banned all the time and when it happens they can just resume their activities after a few minutes.
A system where you need to be verified manually and allowed to post from any IP range you want (basically, no such thing as IP bans) would be fair in that case.
No.137432
>>137431>A system where you need to be verified manually and allowed to post from any IP range you want (basically, no such thing as IP bans) would be fair in that case.Basically going back to old forums or bulletin boards, which in some of the most extreme cases had to resort to not allowing registering with free email adresses, invite only, or even account purchasing. Unfortunately that's a double edged sword more than ever.
I remember reading that the reason 4chan worked well enough in the early years was the combination of still being a niche pre-Eternal September community, and early users having a different mindset, but that probably is nostalgia googles effect.
No.137435
>>137333You're vry diplomatic, admirable.
No.137481
Multiple boards got hit by a soyjak raid, including trashcan, wapchan, and uboachan.
[URL DELETED] on the soy site(ZERO TOLERANCE TO PROMOTION OF WOJAK RAIDING)
No.137482
>>137481Coming to this thread to gloat and even including the raid thread...
Any promotions of the wojak sites attacking other imageboards here is going to be a ban. This is a thread to talk about imageboards and your attempts to wipe them out is extremely antithetical to this.
No.137483
>>137482That's fucking stupid. Raids are happenings.
No.137484
>>137483Attempts to maliciously and completely wipe out old subcultures from the internet is not the kind of happening this thread is for. You can have the victory threads on the wojak site, but they won't be referenced here.
People will never post about desuchan or 1chan in these threads again since they were killed by these raids. You might think it's hilarious to make the internet 99.1% wojaks instead of merely 99%, but I have to disagree.
No.137485
>>137484Stop having such a persecution complex.
No.137489
>>137488>Fine, you can mention places being raided if it's centered on the place being attackedIt'll do. It was specifically the zero-tolerance part that I was against.
No.137494
>>137490
>its the fact that kissu was founded as refugees from 4/qa/ during the soyniggerspam
That's not true. Kissu was made in 2018 and it was the power vacuum of the widespread rangebans of later 2019 that allowed the mods to usher in the new culture. There was no interaction between the groups. Our only ties are leftover jokes from us adopted by them, and I guess that we named them.
No.137499
>>137481It's good that every affected site seems to have had no lasting damage.
No.137501
I visited Uboachan maybe a decade ago and it felt depopulated even then. Why bother raiding it?
Raids were supposed to be something fun and inspiring. This just feels like wasted effort.
No.137502
>>137501Just like with desu, probably people that just hate anything old and who desire to destroy any traces of history to own the oldfags.
No.137503
>>137501The dumbest part is that every altchan that lasts more than a month or so already has to deal with CSAM and other automated spam so the soy children are barely a blip in comparison to most admins
No.137558
well that happened
ok so I get what the jaks were for but what were those posts with the random strings?
No.137559
>>137558faster spam i'd assume
No.137594
>>137490
This post seems to imply kissu isn't filled with lolicons.
No.137595
>>137594It doesn't. Kissu is filled to the brim with lolicon sperm.
No.137608
Why is wiping imageboards with raids even an issue these days? You'd think modern imageboard software would have ways to restore threads
No.137612
>>137608Because it was never included in vichan. Kissu has it but yeah. No one else thought about how to do it
No.137619
>>137608To be fair you don't even need that. Just set your board to have 100+ pages and it's basically impossible to wipe
No.137621
>>137619you say this but ota was still wiped
No.137685
You should let the raids get published because it will eventually Eternal September the perpetrators.
No.137686
>>137685I don't think you thought this post through.
No.137687
>>137685african american teenagers are the final september, there is no possible lower form of september.
No.137688
>>137686I don't think you thought this sage through.
No.137689
i just bit this sage through
No.137693
>>137685Dumb teenbro defender
No.137777
In other news, 4chan's mods added yet another captcha (hCaptcha) for first time users. Now the process for posting is: Cloudflare captcha > hCaptcha > 900s timer > 4chan captcha 4chan's captcha was updated as well, adding 3 and 7 characters-long captchas and captchas with characters rotated 90 degrees. These changes were made after multiple spammers with residential proxies made free ban-evasion websites and promoted them on /v/, /g/ and /pol/
Additionally, mods removed the "Intentionally evading post/spam filters" from the report list right after adding the new captcha. The motives are completely unknown.
No.137780
>>137777Mods wouldn't have any of that dev powers that control how the website functions, but that's interesting. I thought hcaptcha was one of the 'professional' ones they decided against using because it costs money?
No.137781
>>137780>Mods wouldn't have any of that dev powers that control how the website functions, but that's interesting.I'm using the word "mods" to group the entire staff together. The dev (and maybe rapapeape) is the one who implements all these changes, but it's the mods who come up with these ideas and suggest them to the dev.
>I thought hcaptcha was one of the 'professional' ones they decided against using because it costs money?Yes, that's why it and Cloudflare's captcha (which also has a paid version) only appear to new IPs and after solving it you only get 4chan's slider captchas that are easier to break with solvers.
No.137783
As usual, the normal user is the one that has to suffer because of the spammers.
Speaking of that, can someone confirm if Kissu uses Cloudflare? I'm trying to identify an access problem related to my ISP blocking CF IPs by mistake.
No.137785
>>137783NVM, found the problem. I'm going to need a VPN to access from now on.
No.137786
>>137777It's ironic that the harder they make it to spam, the more incentive people have to turn to spam automation tools, which actually make spam easier and allows them to spam much more efficiently than when they were just solving a captcha every minute. They're basically gambling on whether they've pissed off anyone smart enough to create said tools, and that's a pretty fucking bad bet when you're actively making the site worse with every iteration of this battle.
No.137800
>>136933>/r9k/ -> crystal.cafe>not /r9k/ -> wizardchan -> wizchanThis is not only erroneous, it is offensive.
No.137818
I checked the archive for /v/ to see how many spam threads were getting deleted, and the amount of pages I got was definitely smaller than before. Of course, that was mid week. It's going to be interesting to see what happens during the weekend.
No.137819
>>137800CC is very obviously spawned from /r9k/ by female users who didn't like having men around to tell them how deranged their behavior is.
No.137821
>>137819I'm moreso offended by the fact that this chart left out one of the more significant offshoots from /r9k/ and included the one filled with cackling she-beasts.
No.137822
>>137821>significant offshoots from /r9k/And what would that be?
No.137828
>>137777Those spammers have a nearly 10 year history of raiding the site and their antics have been more or less responsible for every change to the site backend since 2020.
That said, what exactly is a residential proxy?
No.137831
CC could possibly be considered closer to a /cgl/ spinoff in theme, but I'm not entirely sure of actual connections due to being far outside my interests. The lolcow place spun off from /cgl/ due to a mod crackdown on gossip and drama in what is now a long time ago in internet timescales, so it's possible it's a spinoff of a spinoff?
With how utterly obsessed teens are with that place I'm surprised there isn't a written history of everything that has ever happened there down to the minute.
>>137828>what exactly is a residential proxy?An IP tied to a residential IP handed out by an ISP instead of some major data center or VPN company or whatever. The former is far more valuable than the latter since it's not banned from everything.
No.137834
>>137831>CC could possibly be considered closer to a /cgl/ spinoff in themeI don't think it's eeither /r9k/ not /cgl/ really
CC crossed over /r9k/ due to trolling that somehow evolved into cross-cultural pollination. There really wasn't a migration on either direction. That IB started out as "4chan for ovular ones" without much ado and spent it's early years mostly dead as it grew out of word of mouth. It's reputation as /r9k/ for women didn't come till later but there's no denying part of the reason it grew was getting called that.
I'd argue the maidenless thread on /r9k/ is a CC colony as every regular knows of it, but I'm not really sure how it came to be.
There could be some /cgl/ crossposting due to shared ovules among posters, but definitely nothing about migrations or either board being culturally related. /cgl/ was always it's own beast.
No.137891
It's anecdotal but I was an old seagull and I can look at aspects of kf/lolcow and draw straight lines from shit /cgl/ did.
But if I look at CC I don't know what the fuck I'm even looking at.
No.137907
>>137891> at aspects of kf/lolcow and draw straight lines from shit /cgl/ did.Elaborate plx
No.137936
Trying to get people you don't like, or their friends, labeled a pedophile in real life was something /cgl/ did before it was popular. They were just a year or so behind SA on that one.
Or calling in a fake kidnapping so the cops swat someone at a convention thinking there's a hostage situation.
Or trying to spike a rival girl's drinks in the hope she'd get date raped acting like a sloppy drunk.
But really its how a few mean words said on the internet could somehow be blown up into something simply ludicrous.
No.137942
>>137936>They were just a year or so behind SA on that one. FYAD was pulling that shit off before 4chan even existed. Just way less frequently.
Of all the problem forums out there FYAD's the only one that made me genuinely uncomfortable. At least /b/ would dissent when they heard someone killed himself over trolling. When that wikipedia kid offed himself FYAD literally celebrated.
>Or trying to spike a rival girl's drinks in the hope she'd get date raped acting like a sloppy drunk. nigga what. How? No wait how is that even feasible? Americans don't exactly live close to each other. Was it some city's cosplay community that browsed cgl too much?
No.137943
>>137942Cosplayers will travel pretty far to go to cons and blog about their plans so you can track them. They also travel in groups and girls are known for secretly hating their friends.
No.137953
It was a mod deletion. People need to restrain their /r9k/ proclivity
No.137961
>>137358That is not why krautchan died... If you're implying that "pedophilia" caused it which is what im guessing you're implying then you would be wrong since that was a thing on the board long before unteralterbach existed.
No.137962
>>137359Kohlchan is still one of the biggest imageboards. Who gives a shit that its "ostracized". Its still a great imageboard. "ostracized" means a filter, which means that normalfags are dismayed which is a good thing.
No.137963
>>137409Yeah so epic being a massive faggot that pretty much caused the death of the webring for selfish gains.
No.137966
>>137961Your statement doesn't correlate with mine. In fact it reinforces it. Open pedophilia was a thing and by allowing it undisturbed it created a timebomb. German KC was always a fraction of KC/int/ and a community of IB dinosaurs by 2014. But it still was normal community. After unteralterbach made the place become famous for pedos it more or less swept away any poster that wasn't there to discuss MAP shit. We may act that the admin totally forgot to pay for the hosting, but the reality is he didn't want to nanny that group of undesirables. Or the dregs of /int/ for that matter, after ilylauta went social, every other host for the board just up died and 4/int/ aka blue /pol/ ate their demographics up. Why would he want to risk being known for that?
>>137962It's doing way better than KC did, somehow. Not the only nation-specific IB that i've seen pull 5k posts a day. But they are usually kohai websites
No.137967
>>137416Cute subculture is waning?
No, I don't believe it.
No.138022
I've been doing a lot of research lately.
If you ever wondered why in recent years some weird backend changes to Yotsuba happened, things like like user agent / trust based rate limiting, board speed/IP trust-dependent post discarding, browser id bans, the /biz/ timer going site-wide and hCAPTCHA. You can trace it to the impact of a single group of spammers.
Turns out sturdychan, formerly 2chen, formerly chen2, a meguca-based live posting IB, became home to /cumg/, an exiled 4/g/ general dedicated exclusively to developing tools for pornography scraping and generative AI. Most of it loli and CSAM. They got good at it. Developed a whole repository infrastructure and even rediscovered things like image embedding and metadata fetching (Third Eye, PEE, etc). If you ever saw that loli games stealth general on /v/, it's thanks to them.
You can find their hub on sturdychan.help/tech/ albeit the original developers seem to have been more or less ran out of the general.
You can see their repositories at sperm.tech.
At the same time, there's two 4chan botspam dinosaurs to remember:
First is Leto aka unicodefag also called furnigger by 4/trash/'s /gfur/. A furry CSAM spammer remembered for spamming /bant/ with ridiculous numbers of IPs. kissumin may remember him, he also spammed /qa/.
Second is an italian homosexual known as 'ick on 'eck, famous for posting pictures of his dick and his steamdeck on /v/ for years
They are friends. They have coordinated spam since the 2010s and a few years ago both got involved with /cumg/'s infrastructure. I'm still looking things up so I don't know if they bankroll the svs now or what.
What's important is that around late 2022 'eck developed what can be best described as a open source proxy handler service known as 'ecker. His version, p.ecker.tech is closed to public unless you personally send ecker a pic of your dick.
Leto instead bankrolls fecker, a free use fork of 'ecker. currently hosted at 4chan.gay, formerly cunny.sperm.tech
These services have been going on for little more than 2 years. But it recently reached a sort critical mass. From the get go it enabled schizos to go wild, specially on /vg/, shouldn't surprise anyone it was the second board for the timer experiment. Now if you check the archives since 2024 you'll see a palpable uptick in CSAM spam and what not.
In short, years there's been what I can only describe as a secret arms race between MVB's spam protection and Leto's ban evasion tool. And Leto is winning, the recent restrictions have all but killed casual/mobile phoneposters, 4chan's has been measurable affected by this group.
As an aside. MVB is imo a legit programmer, with all I've learned recently, I can't help but admire the man.
No.138030
>>137942One day I will have to cough up those 10 bux for the SA archives upgrade and see how early FYAD and ADTRW were like.
Are we talking about the ipod "an hero thing"? Nowadays the only acceptable target for suicide jokes tends to be Lowtax, and with reason.
No.138031
>>138030A wikipedia admin, early 2000s don't remember his name. pretty sure he's the first case for suicide over internet bullying ever. Contemporary with the ipod kid.
No.138032
>>138031Found it. Ty Peppar, 2008. And looks like it is still a controversial topic that will cause fights
No.138033
>>138022This goes along with the stuff I've read now and then. I remember that chen site was supposed to be like 8chan and have a variety of boards, but in reality it was the politics and uh..
this stuff that actually took off. Some /tv/ overlap, naturally. Nothing good will come from those communities mixing.
The main unifying theme is they're massive attention whores that desire infamy above all else, so I'm against using their names. It's been a general internet strategy to not give attention whores what they want, so I'd call them Fat Retard A and Furfag B or something.
>As an aside. MVB is imo a legit programmer, with all I've learned recently, I can't help but admire the man.I'm not sure if it's MVB, but he does seem to be "blamed" for tackling it. It could be desuwa, or a combination. MVB is pretty amazing though from what I've seen, yeah, an OG from before programming was trendy. He posted on 4/qa/ a few times and you get the feeling his knowledge far eclipses your own.
No.138034
>>138033>The main unifying theme is they're massive attention whores that desire infamy above all elseWisdom. However, this is only applicable when dealing with the men themselves. They run a service with a 3 digit user count now. It's gone beyond just a couple narcissists.
What fascinates me is that this has been going on for a dog's age (on the internet scale) and nobody has yet figured it out. It's not like the people involved are trying to hide, yet they've somehow maintained a veil of total confusion for years.
>2chenMy impression is this: 2chen was used to house eceleb and tiktok threads when they got purged. Practically dead by the time cumg got the boot (2021). As soon as the admin noticed new newcomers, he killed the site. /cumg/ simply cloned it.
That's what I garnered, I
could be wrong.
No.138035
>>138022>If you ever saw that loli games stealth general on /v/, it's thanks to them. what's this? i love loli games
No.138036
>>138035Started out as onirism threads then they started adding other games with overtly lewd kid characters. Just F5 a couple times, you'll see them around.
Miffles me a bit that they include A Hat in Time because that's a legitimately innocent PG game that doesn't deserve getting lumped with all the lolicon stuff.
Obligatory warning: read the rest of the post, some of these posters aren't what they pretend to be.
No.138037
>>138036oh those threads yeah guess that fits the bill. i found them when searching the archives for threads about little witch nobeta and discovered demon turf and gurumin and onirism that way
No.138038
>>138036>that doesn't deserve getting lumped with all the lolicon stuff.but that's an honour
No.138039
>>138036Like this? There are a couple crossover drawings that were posted and visibly a bunch of backstory to them:
https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/703524809>>138037>guruminDamn that's niche. Surprised to see it's been ported to PC.
No.138040
>>138039Yep. Seems like the OP was legit then it got hijacked 2hu style.
No.138041
>>138034>they've somehow maintained a veil of total confusion for yearsNo? Third-eye became a minor trend a bit after it was made, kind of working off the residual resentment for mods cracking down on blue board lewdity during the 4channel period where Hiro was trying to make ad dollars instead of pass dollars. Then mods Streisanded it by banning /cumg/, which started this war between programmers and making the whole affair a source of drama people could easily follow. People have been bringing up the 'ecker site on /v/ for years whenever spam gets brought up, mostly in a negative light because of his gay as fuck requirements to join his club.
I don't think /tiktok/ was dead, it certainly hasn't been since, but /cumg/ was the source of meaningful activity for a while until development slowed and the gay circlejerk took over.
Really, the lesson of it all should be that trying to use technological means to solve community problems just incites greater resentment. You can't fight ideas with bullets.
No.138044
>>138041>No? Let me elaborate: Nobody has really made the connection between bird eye and "/cumg/ runs a ban evasion guerrilla from an altchan", at least not if you didn't specifically look for threads linked to sturdy. It's not common knowledge unless you are intimately involved, it's not something a 4chan regular imagines happening, much less a casual posters. Their first instinct would be to think "this is a conspiracy fiction".
If you go talk about the spam on any board that isn't /g/ or specific /v/ threads, people won't believe you. I could go to my favourite threads right now and if brought up "there's a psycopath running ban evasion tools that represent a majority of the shitposts you see in this board today" i'd get called a schizo.
>for mods cracking down on blue board lewdityYou mean on /v/, because /co/ and /a/ have never stopped having lewd threads. /co/ would straight up die if that was ever cracked down on, they represent like half the active posts at any given time.
> ad dollars instead of pass dollars.I'm pretty sure 4chan is solvable due to selling post data to analytics centers and neither ads nor the pass represent a 2 digit percentage of the site's income.
No.138045
>>138035Pay attention to threads featuring loli characters from Onirism, A Hat in Time, Stardew Valley, Little Witch Nobeta, Froggun, Demon Turf, Gurumin, Ashley from Wario Ware or any relatively new indie game with loli protagonists. These threads almost always are made by a group of ban evaders that use them as chatrooms where they avatarfag, roleplay and occasionally draw art of the characters. They are like rats that try to make a nest on any thread involving these lolis regardless of the original topic. They are the reason even legitimate threads about these games are deleted at random by mods.
There's another group that uses "vidya lolis" as a cover for their personal purposes. They often make threads with "realistic lolis" like Sarah from TLoU or the girl from Pragmata, and use them to talk about pedophilia, real children and CP, share 3DCG porn of these lolis and even post actual CP in .webm files and catbox links. This second group sometimes hijacks threads about unrealistic loli characters to talk about "their love for children" and lure CP posters to the stolen thread.
No.138046
>>138045The 2D-only-lolicon vs. pedo dichotomy is just as retarded as saying "I'm not gay, I only fap to anime-style drawings of men". Lolicons who are only attracted to 2D lolis may exist but they're rare.
No.138047
People should be able to talk about games with girls in them without it being inundated with slacktivist garbage from people that really should find something else to base their personality around. Those people are a blight and it's really a "this is why we can't have nice things" phenomenon. Funnily enough my last ever post on 4/qa/ was me saying they were cancer.
I guess it allows places like kissu to dig out a niche if people want to actually talk about enjoying things.
>>138046This is the kind of post that kills threads and imageboards as it starts an all-out retard war. Don't use the happenings thread for this...
No.138048
>>138046I'd call that reductive, when it comes to 2D lolicon is just a subset of the greater "loli" aesthetics fandom, and group that is definitely not small. The dumb teenage girl from deviant art that absolutely loves her vaguely 10-to-16 cute emo girl anime drawings, or the /c/ or /cm/ community as a whole all routine post lolicon-like art without really consider it or themselves such. How many people love mossacannibalis' risque art of teenagers without knowing about the loliguro? I wouldn't even call mossa a lolicon even thought the fact he regularly mutilates tweens on digital paper.
All these groups mingle together, on imageboards specially. A person who waifus the shit of some waif tween from a popular series has no problem hanging out with Rustle's N°. 1 fan on an IB. Your idea that only lolicons post loli doesn't make sense to me.
I do agree that separating Rustle's N°. 1 fan from an actual CSAM consumer is moot, but even then, there's a difference between someone who has a casual sexual fantasy and an actual MAP activist trying to create a community that openly states that people should try to groom children.
No.138050
>>138048>and an actual MAP activist trying to create a community that openly states that people should try to groom children.Which I may add does not actually represent all of the ban evasion tool users. There's multiple cliques mingling there and they have some low energy competition going on. The tool's mantainer very clearly favours illegal posts however, and he gets bullied quite a bit for it.
I don't know what to make of it. I've joked about day of the roping phoneposters for years, but now that these guys actually forced 4chan into such a position, something just doesn't sit well with me. The people who are getting fucked by the timer and hCAPTCHA now are genuinely the most sincere contributors, not terminally online shitposters.
No.138051
the heck am I about to read... this better be on topic
No.138052
>>138048>the greater "loli" aesthetics fandom, and group that is definitely not small. The dumb teenage girl from deviant art that absolutely loves her vaguely 10-to-16 cute emo girl anime drawings, or the /c/ or /cm/ community as a whole all routine post lolicon-like art without really consider it or themselves suchI was talking about lolicons, not chuunis that just discovered azumanga and lucky star last week.
>All these groups mingle together, on imageboards speciallyThat "mingling" usually goes something like:
>EWW WTF you do realize that anime girl is 12 right???>out of tenand then the chuuni leaves and never goes back to a board like /a/ or /v/.
>Your idea that only lolicons post loli doesn't make sense to meOn boards that aren't infested with normalfags, only lolicons post loli. On boards I never go to like /cm/, /cgl/, /mlp/ etc. things may be different.
No.138054
>>138053Tell the anti-lolicon faggots to leave too.
No.138055
Back on topic it is.
Predictions on how this 4chan secret war will turn out?
No.138056
I recall one time a furfag brought 8chan to its knees with automated spam on every board. I think the furfag's name was Bui. Does he have any connection to this group?
No.138057
cumg insider here
jeety and leto will eventually burn out since they aren't doing this for money, and pecker is too exclusive for public use
same thing happened to pee
4chan will win by virtue of outlasting its competition
No.138059
>>138056He fucking wishes he was Bui. But he has become his spiritual successor, if Bui had BPD.
afaik the furfag started out as a scriptspammer on /bant/ and /trash/, mainstay at /gfur/. According to trash lore he has ran a bumpbot and pulled insane stunts to fuck with that board. That would have been the end it had he and the italian not gotten into generative AI and by extension, the cumg dev network.
>>138058Because we are all IB otakus that suffer from withdrawal if we don't read "post successful" every couple days.
There's a lot of honest posters, specially on the hobby boards, that contribute one or twice a month. Enough time for their phone cookies to expire, and on top of that they likely post on mobile IPs and not stable wi fi due to commuting or work. Imagine having to go through the whole timer+captcha+IPtrust process every time to you want to post.
I mean, the numbers speak for themselves. An almost 20% activity loss since the timer went global. Don't know how much h(ell)CAPTCHA is gonna add to that.
No.138060
((((((they)))))) will never know
No.138061
>>138059>Imagine having to go through the whole timer+captcha+IPtrust process every time to you want to post.i do all the time because, how often is there a 4chan thread i want to post in?
No.138062
>>138059>I mean, the numbers speak for themselves. An almost 20% activity loss since the timer went global. Don't know how much h(ell)CAPTCHA is gonna add to that.stop flipflopping, phoneposters don't do effort posts because you're not incentivized to write paragraphs with a touchscreen
the exclusion of phoneposters is good and the vast majority of those 20% are not posters who post "once or twice a month", that doesn't even make sense
they're normalfags
No.138064
phonelurking is acceptable if an IB otaku must ever suffer the indignity of going outside or an internetdisconnection
No.138065
>>138058I think it's related to cookies. You'd probably get the others if you deleted them and started anew.
No.138066
>>138064Fucking your sister is fine when you're the only two people left on Earth.
>>138065Not "probably", definitely.
I just downloaded my cookies, this is how it looks like,
.4chan.org TRUE / FALSE 177005[...] ws_style Tomorrow
.4chan.org TRUE / FALSE 177093[...] nws_style Tomorrow
.4chan.org TRUE / TRUE 177166[...] 4chan_pass A_-HPzSkGUC3PpblwPUISK
vF[...]
.4chan.org TRUE / TRUE 177118[...] cf_clearance A8wc1oN7e8DTy5uBIMJO5L
v3ZDwUrBF[...]
ws_style and nws_style, e.g. Yotsuba B
cf_clearance refers to cloudflare, also self-explanatory.
4chan_pass doesn't actually refer to commercial 4chan passes. 4chan_pass is part of a reputation system stored on the user's end as a hash, which the server compares to figure out many things like whether to give you a cooldown, what kind of captcha to use, how many posts you are allowed to quote, etc.
This helps mitigate spamming somewhat, since spamming involves rapidly cycling through many IPs.
No.138067
its always fine
No.138069
>>138055Thankfully, right now I am detached enough from 4c to not be affected by it. Between the sharty raids, the ecker software users, the lolicon porn spammed in blue boards, /v/ going full gamergate again, and janitors being ineffective at acting fast, I gave up on the site and went looking for greener pastures (alternative IBs and classic forumd)
Nowadays I check the place mostly due to FOMO, so that the day the countermeasures fail and a torrent of diarrhea shit swallows the boards I will be there with an umbrella and a bucket of popcorn.
And even if the countermeasures hold, isn't Hiro going to trial soon over the Buffalo shooting? That's going to drain whatever amount of money they are sitting on right noe.
No.138070
>>138044People call you a schizo because you fearmonger about a pedophile conspiracy being behind everyone who posts loli, not because you mention that a notorious spammer has a tool for enabling spam.
>>1380554chan already lost when they started using tactics that discouraged good posters from posting. The spam could stop today and it would still be a Pyrrhic victory because reducing the amount of shit you have to wade through to find a diamond in the rough is meaningless if all the diamonds are gone too.
No.138074
>>138070People call me a schizo for something I didn't even criticize in the argument?
I'd say you are hyperfixating a minor sentence of my reply chain, on a I point I didn't even rise until asked for directions by anons who wanted to find those threads.
No.138098
>>138057>will burn outwhy tho
No.138099
>>138059tourist here, what's an IB otaku?
No.138100
>Nowadays I check the place mostly due to FOMO, so that the day the countermeasures fail and a torrent of diarrhea shit swallows the boards I will be there with an umbrella and a bucket of popcorn.
Respect
>isn't Hiro going to trial soon over the Buffalo shooting
God I hope so that faggot is such a midwitted narcissist. He deserves at least mild suffering. (Please don't make my karma all fucked up for saying that, God...)
No.138102
>>138099IB presumably means imageboard. He really just means someone addicted to imageboards in a way people are addicted to tiktok or whatever.
No.138103
>>138022The furry being one of the people supporting a spam network over 4chan doesn't really surprise me, since he was kind of setting up that sort of service all the way back when we were still on /qa/. Think he even came here once or twice asking if we wanted help with spamming 4chan back for kicking us off through his proxy service, or service he was paying for, always assumed the proxies were something he bought and didn't procure himself, but maybe not.
No.138106
>>138102It means enjoying anonymous posting for anonymous posting's sake. I assume we all here are since the role of kissu could have been fulfilled perfectly with a chatroom yet we all choose to use an IB instead. Guess I am mistaken?
>otaku means addictMmph.
>>138103I remember that spam, did you really give him the bumpbot script or that was a lie?
No.138107
>>138103Yeah.
He was under the mistaken impression that the repo option here was an automated process instead of a request for someone to make a thread on 4/qa/ if they were at the 3 thread IP limit. (down from 5, one of the /qa/ penalties)
I guess in hindsight it set things in motion for someone to make it for real? Too bad it's being used for bad stuff instead of funposting. I guess it's just our fate to have our stuff twisted by someone else later on.
>>138106>otaku means addict>Mmph.Well, it's generally someone with an obsessive interest and not just someone spending a bunch of time on something. Otaku implies they're interested with imageboard history, how they function, what they're like in other parts of the world and will constantly seek out new information about them and so on. Someone doing the equivalent of tiktok's infinite scroll on 4chan doesn't automatically fit the label if you ask me, so I'd call them an addict instead.
>did you really give him the bumpbot script or that was a lie?His stuff was quite a bit inferior to
the bumpbot. He did it a few times while we were still there and it would be counterproductive to help some guy spam the board you like with furry stuff, so I'm pretty confident no /qa/ person gave him anything.
No.138108
>>138106Anonymity and I don't like IM for talking to multiple people.
No.138110
>>138107>Otaku implies they're interested with imageboard history, how they function, what they're like in other parts of the world and will constantly seek out new information about them and so on.>Someone doing the equivalent of tiktok's infinite scroll on 4chan doesn't automatically fit the label if you ask me, so I'd call them an addict instead.... I wrote a 3000 character post about the history of an obscure spam network squatting on a dead general that's sitting on the pilfered corpse of a dead IB.
And you call me an addict.
No.138111
>>138110I wasn't referring to you specifically, but people in general since the conversation was focused on people spending lots of time on 4chan. Lots of lots of people spend tons of time on it, you know.
No.138112
>>138102Thanks.
>>138106they should make a software that has both a chatroom and an image board.
No.138113
how is kissu compared to 4chan?
i've been using wapchan a bit lately.
sorry if you're not allowed to mention other altchans.
No.138114
>>138112>they should make a software that has both a chatroom and an image board.The hybrid already exists, usually called "live" boards. You can see what people are typing in their post and you can see people replying to posts below theirs if there are multiple people active at once.
The meguca spinoff/inheritors is probably the most well known example (
https://shamik.ooo , you need to enter a thread to see the live posting), but there's also doushio and tea and probably others.
>>138113Didn't you already ask this on /b/? (
>>>/b/13096)
Thankfully I already have an answer!
>>>/b/13098 No.138115
>>138107>His stuff was quite a bit inferior to the bumpbot. As an aside, if the random posts on old /gfur/ threads are true, he also wrote his own bumpbot for /trash/. Guess we were an inspiration after all.
On top of pulling stunts like posting 200 markovbot erp posts to scare off some deerposting twink that was getting more (you)s than him
No.138116
>>138114I meant a hybrid where you have a group of people like in discord but in discord you then have an image board
>>138114oh yeah i did ask, are you the person who answered? i forgot i made that thread
No.138117
>>138114?? shamik redirects to gaia online
No.138118
>>138107>He was under the mistaken impression that the repo option here was an automated process instead of a request for someone to make a thread on 4/qa/ if they were at the 3 thread IP limit. (down from 5, one of the /qa/ penalties)woah, repo actually means something i didnt know that
No.138119
>>138116>I meant a hybrid where you have a group of people like in discord but in discord you then have an image boardNo idea. Discord itself already functions remarkably like an imageboard and that's why it's so good at killing them. Someone even made a 4chan skin for it. Pic related. (I just google'd 4chan discord skin)
>>138117Huh, maybe you need to type it in then? Worked fine for me. I wonder if that's for any link at all because it seems strange for kissu to be singled out.
>>138118Repost, yeah.
No.138120
>>138119Why did you show me this.
I think I'm going to cry.
No.138122
>>136078she is cute and strong.
No.138124
>>138119yeah i typed it in and it worked. interesting
didn't know about betterdiscord, looks interesting.
No.138126
>>138119but also, an imageboard that is anonymous and has a catalog view is like, the main point
No.138144
Endchan has been unusable for over a month now due to a poop picture spammer.
No.138145
>poop
im wondering has kissu ever taken the brownpill
No.138146
pooping myself
No.138149
>>138145I've seen enough of the /intl/ sphere to know that copypasta-video combination.
No.138154
File:cm.jpg (1.14 MB,2480x1835)
>>138048>the /c/ or /cm/ community as a whole all routine post lolicon-like art without really consider it or themselves suchMaybe that's how /c/ operates, but /cm/ is shotacon central. There are around 10 threads specifically for people lusting over shotas, 3 more for kemono shota, 2 for trap shotas, and a bunch of other threads for various IPs that are at least 50% shota posts. Even the pinned thread features a catshota 9S.
No.138158
>>138156thingkin bout poster would've had a word with you for this
No.138161
>>138157Shotas belong to kissu ikemen, but only the girly ones.
No.138163
>>138162So one I day asked
¥ Who the fuck are you quotingAnd everyone got upset.
No.138171
>>138170What kuso imageboard is that?
No.138172
quick hide the shota
No.138173
Yeah, you're being a bit paranoid. There's no issue if people are getting along. What people do on other sites is their business.
No.138175
>>138173More worried about the regular that first posted it doing it to spite the site.
No.138176
>>138175is there even any evidence that it was a regular?
lots of people come and go through the happenings thread
No.138178
>>138176Really? What are the chances? We can go days without posts and there's a few hours between sturdy being mentioned and kissu being linked.
No.138180
>>138178i'd rarely ever heard of sturdychan before it was brought into this thread by
>>138022who i assume is you, as they merely made a couple comments on their own place without even coming to post here and nobody would even be able to tell if they weren't keeping an eye on them already
just let it go and don't implant dramatic paranoia into /qa/
No.138182
People from there are welcome to post here just like anyone else, so I don't understand the issue. Could there be arguments or disagreements? Sure, but that's the nature of, uh, the human spirit or something.
No.138183
>>138179But that was long ago, I doubt those people remember Kissu still exists.
No.138186
We can always extend the courtesy of hospitality. But even wojak kids post there, and a couple freaks of their own making. I didn't imagine anyone other here than me knew of the place much less felt more attached to it than to Kissu as there's no way they wouldn't know what could happen when they link it.
I wanted to bring something I though was, well, cool. The idea of internet wars is my weak spot. But if it comes with a pricetag I'll not mention it again.
No.138188
>>138187I wanted to say the same but it got deleted (twice) before I could read it (probably not worth it)
No.138189
>>138186You're fine, it's just we're worried about starting internet battles when it can be avoided.
No.138190
>>138187Don't tease me with my shame.