No.160556
>>160555Fuck the British and fuck Ofcom for trying to enforce itself across the world pretty much.
Both sites were getting fined, the fine is pretty much unenforceable so the two are suing
No.160557
>>160549>>160551if you use view same on the pics the op posts, you can see he's actually made dozens and dozens of threads, always responding to haters saying he's on topic, and at times there are three or four of these threads up simultaneously
seems mods have consentend to 4/a/ having its slop general, except generals are still not allowed so it's somewhat different
>>160554nitter says tweet not found, hmm
>>160555UK govt wants to fine 4chan 20k pounds, 4chan countered it
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq68j5g2nr1othen kiwi joined
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyjq40vjl7o No.160558
>>160549AI garbage is fucking cancer and anyone defending it is a malicious faggot.
No.160560
The site needs a mod flush so fucking bad. Or at least add some kind of vote where people can vote a guy out. That would be lulzy as fuck but it's necessary
No.160561
The state of 4chan and the cancer hogging it:
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/281784441/Still live, but a good example. It's not just about this thread, or the topic it gets shitposted about. This is a general problem with off-topic schizo posting. It's like every thread can be ruined by some schizo who hyper-focuses on some irrelevant topic because of personal butthurt and obsession.
No.160562
>>160561I thought I would have to scroll down a bit to see what you were talking about but it's immediate. So immediate.
No.160563
>>160561This type of shit used to be sniped quicker prior to the hack. Goes to show how much it has impacted them.
No.160564
>>160563>This type of shit used to be sniped quicker prior to the hackIt used to?
No.160565
>>160561to be completely desu using "they" for a known person with a known sex is awkward and the the back and forth where retards on both sides "YOU CAN'T EVER USE THEY ON SINGULAR" and "YOU CAN ALWAYS USE THEY ON SINGULAR" is pretty annoying
unknown or theoretical persons only, that's my standard. and even then "he or she" is perfectly acceptable in many instances
No.160566
>>160565I just default to "he" because that's how it works in Spanish, not even native English speakers give a single flying fuck about grammatical rules.
No.160567
>>160565That's how I as ESL "learned" it from reading interactions on the internet. I don't know if "They" on singular is objectively correct for known people, I just avoid using it in such cases because there is no need.
No.160569
>>160567It also sounds unnatural.
No.160570
>>160565You're missing the point, retard. The thread is about a mangaka that died. But there are over 100 of deleted posts treating "they" vs. something else like the most important issue ever.
No.160572
>>160570One big issue is that a lot of people think that reporting is useless, so these kind of posts just stay forever and the thought feeds on itself, I've reported a faggot before because he wrote like a /pol/shart, and got most of his posts deleted.
No.160576
>>160569It's the ambiguity of whether it's talking about a plural or a singular thing that I have trouble with. Unnatural things become natural if you let inertia take its course.
No.160578
>>160561to be fair, i don't think this is a good example of the phenomenon you are describing
derailment over petty stuff is a really old thing, and we shouldn't be surprised to see it appear in a thread about a random romcom with only two volumes for sale, a series that hardly anyone had paid any attention to beforehand
a funeral for such an unknown person is somewhat jarring, and i would certainly expect chantards to deviate from its attempt at seriousness
it's very different from one schizo rambling about korea and bikinis in a thread where people actually care about the real topic
No.160579
>>160567It wasn't an issue before the world went retarded 10 years ago. "They" was just an easy way to refer to people in general in English.
>They are coming over>They own a speed boat>Did you see what they were doing yesterday?etc. etc.
No.160580
>>160579>>160567I guess I should explain further. It's correct to refer to a group, two people or one person. It's a catch-all. I don't give a fuck what the text books say (they're usually wrong anyway) every native speaker does it.
This was accepted part of the language until ESLs and the mentally ill decided the word had to have rules about it or people didn't want to be referred to by their sex.
The best thing to do as always is to ignore idiots that make an issue of such things.
No.160581
>>160570I got the point
I just wanted to discuss something else
english grammar is interesting to discuss
No.160582
>>160580there are increasing numbers of people who use it ALL THE TIME and it sounds pretty weird and is often confusing
I've heard people talk about a specific person, like "my friend," and use they, and in the same sentence refer to multiple people, and of course use they
in the first place, you know what sex your friend is. use he or she. and in the second, now I don't always know if you're referring to your friend or the group of people.
just like english could really use a he^2 (for when there are two men in a sentence who could be referred to) and similar pronouns, english definitely needs the plural
it's a poor enough language as is, we don't need to make it LESS clear
No.160583
>>160581No need to justify your post to that suicidal nutjob, best to ignore and wait for the garbage to take out itself.
No.160584
>>160582The dialect of English I speak is so retarded use of 'they' isn't really an issue. They is the plural but it can also be the singular. You infer meaning based on everything around it.
Now I do agree using it in place of he/she because you don't like he/she is pretty stupid. But I'm isolated from most of the stupid in the native English speaking lands. For example, at some point the people that were telling us that "y'all" wasn't correct English started using it as a trendy way to refer to groups of people. After years of attempting to bully us out of using it. All because they think it's something black people made up or something. They aren't aware that they use it because they have a shared culture with my people (poor white trash) and only took it with them when they moved out of this area in the 60s-70s when they fled into the cities up North and out west.
I'm serious they hated use of "y'all" so much that they sent people from the big cities into our podunk towns to teach the children how we'd never get a real job if we spoke like our parents. Now most of that stuff is considered hip and cool. I guess that's just how language works. It's pretty stupid.
No.160585
>>160584I don't much like y'all but that's just because I think we should have kept thou and thee and had you and ye and our plural
No.160588
>>160585I love 'y'all'. Y'all is great. I just don't like people appropriating my culture and upbringing. But it's always okay when they do it to us.
You can't tell from text but I can lay on my accent and use of local lingo so thick most native English speakers can't follow what I'm saying. We prefer it that way. I can also turn it off and speak like a lawyer, doctor or stuck up person from the most horrible places in my native country. It's like having a cheat code. I change the way I speak and relax my accent and I instantly gain 50 IQ points in the mind of whomever I'm speaking too. I turn it on real thick and they think I'm retarded. Very useful in business dealings.
No.160590
>>160588Some of my favorite local words: Yonder, poke, buggy, ain't, you'ins, liketa, fixin' (as in fixin' to), fixin's (food), every double negative (very confusing to non-natives), every double noun, measurement nouns being acceptable as singulars even in plurals, airish (windy), senpai (red squirrel), gaul, gaulmed up, britches (pants), cat-head (biscuits), directly (as-in "I'm coming directly"), holler (valley), hussy (loose woman), jasper (stranger), peackerwood (white trash/asshole), piece (over there a piece, refers to distance), reckon ("I guess"), tobaggon (wool hat, also large sled), tote (tote this for me = carry this for me), whistle pig (groundhog), si-gogglin (all out of wack, not true, wavy).
There are many more. We basically have our own language where I grew up. It's great. No one can understand wtf we're saying.
No.160591
>>160555Bongs passed a law requiring websites with NSFW content to add age verification systems under threat of being fined and blocked. The law was written in a way that it applies to ANY website that can be accessed from UK, even those hosted in other countries. The Office of Communications eventually reached 4chan and KiwiFarms and demanded that they must comply with their gay laws or get daily fines that go up to £25,000. The sites, using a lawyer, told Ofcom to eat shit and die because they have no right to harass non-UK corporations, and sued them in an American court.
>>160557>nitter says tweet not found, hmmhttps://x.com/prestonjbyrne/status/1960764523843043393 No.160592
>>160555We get put on the same bag was kiwifarms for free because a lawyer offered to fight a high profile lawsuit that doesn't affect us at all pro bono
No.160593
>>160588you'd got along with a friend of mine from south carolina.
if you'll all forgive my autism a moment I'd like to lay out my ENGLISH IMPROVEMENT IDEAS
instead of he, she, they, it -
θti - males (like th'ti)
sti - unknown or theoretical (people, animals, etc)
ʃti - females (like shti)
ti - objects
tu - ideas (concepts and vague things. like the weather or a theory)
add y to the end to pluralize it.
stiy (pronounced like stay) would be the most common for people, replacing they, since it can refer to any group no matter its makeup of men or women
to refer to a SECOND person/object/whatever in a sentence, -
ð̼di - men
zdi - unknown person/animal
ʒdi - women
di - objects
du - ideas
or something like that. constantly working on my conlang and I want something like that for pronouns
obviously there would be similar cases for him/her/them and you/thou as well as I/me
No.160594
>>160557>>160553Seem there was yet another internal debate that went they same way it always does: everyone feigns insanity when confronted with what everyone else does because a mod being forced to follow consensus could potentially end up with a mod resigning.
No.160595
>>160593>ʃti - females (like shit)heh
No.160621
>>160619I'd certainly prefer this to days being named after old Gods.
No.160624
>>160619I am totally the type of autist who would be all for the changes in the french revolution
I prefer base 12 stuff over base 10 stuff, though. fuck metric.
>>160621personally I'm fine with the gods but I want consistency. fucking october, november, december? those aren't fucking gods.
also the calendar should be readjusted so that we have 30 day month, then 31 day month, etc (at least on leap years)
February can be a 30 day month that becomes 31 on leap years
AND we should at least TRY to make it so that the winter solstice is usually either the first or last day of a year, instead of usually the 21st or 22nd of december.
No.160625
>>160619Those seasonal month names remind me a lot of the traditional Japanese ones. Absolutely trash for any kind of international standard though.
No.160626
>>160624I was taking about days of the week sorry. Sunday = Sun, Monday = Moon, Tuesday = Tyr day, Wednesday = Odin's day, Thursday = Thor's day, Friday = Frigg's day, Saturday = Saturn day.
No.160628
>>160554So 4chan is "teaming" with Kiwifarms for the legal maneuvers? If have understood it correctly, that's falling low even for 4chan.
https://www.theverge.com/social/767063/4chan-kiwi-farms-lawsuit-uk-ofcom No.160629
Dunno if this is actually teaming in this case and perhaps seperate cases, I can't read Verge articles without a subscription.
No.160630
Der Untermensch Double Whammy
No.160631
>>160626well the months are after roman gods and the days are after germanic gods (mostly)
if we could just get saturn out of the weekdays (replace him with baldr?) that'd be much better
sun and moon are holy enough (in all pagan religions) to stay, I think
No.160632
>>160629Wait, it isn't free?
Oh, right.
No.160635
>>160628It’s not really falling low if you’re actually doing something for the right cuase, you massive assmuncher. Go offer up your brain to be scanned by the UK government for tracking bad thoughts if you’re against this:
No.160636
Blind team-based partisanship in the face of universally bad government policy like this is the reason why society as a whole crumbles.
No.160637
>>160632i'm not installing crap to read other people's opinion pieces
No.160638
>>160635Associating with those KiwiFarms fucktards is the thing I won't accept, even if it is to fight the fucking INGSOC. Not like they are very different nowadays, but..
No.160639
if you guys need to calm down please visit my hamster thread
No.160641
If I was Vermin I would ban you for advocating that kissu and all other altchans should be killed to satisfy your crybaby desire for petty retribution against kf.
No.160642
If you willingly associate or side yourself with KF, then you're not exactly a great person.
But some Verge article saying that because the legal teams are sharing information isn't saying that much.
No.160643
>>160641Now you are putting words in my mouth. Go outside and touch grass.
>>160642I have asked if the communities are teaming out of their own accord, or the legal teams are the ones that decided to represent them together, because I'm not fully getting it and I don't trust a Verge Article.
No.160644
>>160642If you willingly associate or side yourself with the UK government then you are advocating for the murder of all hobbyist and small forum websites across the whole of the internet. And in the same vein arguing for our murder by the same government entities. If you'd choose to side with them over a simply meany poopy pants site of dickwads then so be it, the party is god after all.
No.160645
>>160643I don't wish to go outside because I have fun on the internet, unlike you apparently because you'd rather us all be forced off this amazing place and onto social media where you can post more of how much you love rolling in the mud.
No.160646
>>160643idk really how much legal resources the two have.
Hiroyuki is a Japanese tech celebrity for making some job search app.
KF is a group that gets blacklisted and skirts around various vague rules about what harassment is simply because they probably have political figures using it...
But what I'm pretty sure of is that the UK has no political backbone and are entirely dependent on the US to handle inflation so they will probably cave if someone in the government actually thinks the two are advantageous to the US. Otherwise, they'll probably just get ISP blocked and that's that.
No.160648
>>160645You are fucking delusional, huh.
1) I don't have any social media
2) I fucking hate the UK government and I don't want their ideas spreading to Europe when we already have enough issues with the EU attempting to ruin internet and turn it into another no dictatorship without the right to be anonymous.
3) I don't want the altchans to go away because of some fucking puritans, wherever they are located.
4) Kiwi Farms deserves to disappear and die.
5) Ban me from kissu? Nice, I will save money in monthly donations to fund the site.
No.160649
>>160648>4) Kiwi Farms deserves to disappear and die.That's 1/5 and yet you're willing to compromise all the other 4 if it means you attain that goal.
No.160650
kiwifarms is OK
No.160652
“The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.”
No.160654
I just.... don't care about kiwifarms
I don't think I've ever gone on it for more than about 2 minutes after seeing it linked in a thread and I don't think I've clicked links to it more than about 3 times
It just doesn't matter to me
I do want the UK government destroyed though
No.160655
>>160654Ok, that's a more reasonable opinion then. But you should prioritize that the UK Government being toppled takes precedent over something minor like Kiwifarms dying. I'd rather it die naturally from some hack or people getting over their desire for it rather than government law designed to censor the entirety of the internet winning and then wreaking god knows how much other havoc in the process.
No.160656
>>160591EU will do the same soon. The problem is actually that they're senpai who don't understand how the internet works, not even without any malicious intent. They gen genuinely want kids to keep away from bad stuff like SFW social media, and they think forcing age verification on literally every website is the only reasonable way to go.
No.160658
fear mongering
No.160659
>>160656So far, the only things they have achieved are making normies aware that VPNs exist, and kickstarting an arms race between age verification and methods to bypass said age verification.
The main problem so far in EU has been Chat Control, which would weaken encryption algorithm and let them scan everything in your phone or device and compare it with csam databases or directly use AI to interpret it. probably super fun if suddenly someone starts dumping CP on a blue board while you are browsing, depending on what the devices will scan (I doubt they will stop at just messages).
Spain proposed its own age verification system for adult sites, but it would only have applied to sites hosted in the country. For places hosted outside like Pornhub and the likes, the age verification would have been voluntary since it was beyond their legal reach. This makes even more bonkers that they are suing 4chan, at the other side of the ocean, rather than simply mandating the blockade on every ISP.
No.160660
>>160659The root of the problem is that they're somehow looking for the most intrusive technical solutions to deal with kids accessing shit they shouldn't. Nobody has the idea of treating smartphones like alcohol to get kids away from it (so if parents don't control their kids they commit a crime).
But maybe it doesn't matter. In the long run, every country will control their citizens internet use. If you think the USA won't, then you're a naive dumbfuck without a brain.
No.160661
>>160660>The root of the problem is that they're somehow looking for the most intrusive technical solutions to deal with kids accessing shit they shouldn't. Nobody has the idea of treating smartphones like alcohol to get kids away from it (so if parents don't control their kids they commit a crime).That's what I keep saying, that if you don't want a minor to see "bad stuff", the only option would be not letting them own a phone and having the family computer in the living room, like in the late 90s / early 2000s. And they would probably attempt to buy a printed porno mag, buy a second phone and keep it hidden, or trade the adult materials in pendrives, sneakernet style.
All this will achieve is a online surveillance state.
The UK could go "traditional parenting" and block overseas websites, instead of behaving like a fucking Karen and fucking things for the rest of the world. "Your website rots my children's brains and I am too lazy to control what they see, so I'm going to sue you instead".
>If you think the USA won't, then you're a naive dumbfuck without a brain.Given the kind of crowds the government hangs out with, they will probably will do something in the future, once they start running out of mexicans to chase.
No.160662
>>160661>Given the kind of crowds the government hangs out with, they will probably will do something in the future, once they start running out of mexicans to chase.Indeed. Their basic idea seems to be that they have to act more authoritarian to win against China. China always tried to be in full control of the internet, and it's working for them. The USA will think they will need to use the same methods if necessary. Currently, it doesn't seem to be necessary, because removing censorship in social media helps their side. But should the mood shift, or if China appears to successfully affect western social media, it will be worse than ever. Don't forget that most blocking and censorship is justified with removing porn, and combating porn is a stated goal of the current US administration.
The future looks grim.
No.160663
>>160661I was thinking of methods that you could sell to these congressmen and governments that they'd possibly accept in the case that they're not actually actively malicious and want to address the complete lack of guardrails for children on the net. One thought I've had that I think would be the most effective would be making a parental whitelist a default on new modems/routers, whichever it is I forget right now, and then having the parent/adult have to log in on their device to disable it for specific devices/the modem itself. This way it would put the power of what the child sees in the hands of the parents instead of the government which would probably sell better with parents themselves and also freedom rights people like me. The one critique would be it could be bypassed but every fucking method can be so it doesn't matter.
No.160664
>>160663The only thing you need is to lock down smartphones for children. For example you could smartphones, which are configured for children, make to allow installation of whitelisted apps only, and to make the browser send a special "this is a child's phone" header (basically tell the website's server that it has to age-restrict its content).
It's an extremely simple idea and very unintrusive.
No.160665
>>160664Yeah, that'd work too. In fact they already have those, but I doubt that anyone in congress has any idea about them in their rotted brains.
No.160666
>>160663That sounds like the old parental control filtering services that used to exist. And as you say, they were easy to bypass. You could either install it as a client software (the kids would end learning how to bypass it, or just use a live CD to boot another OS), or ask the ISP to enable it (probably could be bypassed by changing the DNS).
Even if a parental control at home worked, in the moment the kid goes outside, they connect to a public wireless, or a friend with unlimited access shares the internet connection with a hotspot... Shit, no wonder they always attempt to eliminate the source. Any block can be circunvented.
>>160664TBH, I like the idea. Same as a kid can't buy a motorbike until they reach a certain age, give them a restricted phone as if it was a bicycle... But that would mean that if I wanted to buy an adult phone, I would have to verify my age. Then they would still attempt to age-verify me to prove that I haven't sold the phone to a kid, or that the kid is not using their parents phone... And a kid with a restricted phone is a kid who is not spending money on fortnite cosmetics, being shoved ads and generating data to be collected and sold.
In the end, "protecting the children" is an excuse to shut down whatever they don't like and increase control over society. Sure, I'm not a fan of a kid going into pol, b or rotten.com and start watching real gore videos or AI degenerate porn as if it was a Bluey marathon (maybe they will grow up and get weird ideas), but if they wanted to protect them, they could do it without fucking the rest of us.
No.160667
>>160666If they want, they will find a way to bypass any access control. What should matter to politicians is whether the masses of kids on their phones can access "bad" sites or whether they actually need to put effort into bypassing such blocks. Much of what they talk about is when kids accidentally get confronted with such content.
There is no perfect control anyway, and if there was, it wouldn't work. I mean look at China, the government even seems to silently tolerate use of VPNs, because only a few experts use them and actually need them to work with foreign companies.
Now, IF politicians don't have any secret very dark authoritarian ideas about internet control, they SHOULD understand this if it got explained to them.
No.160668
>>160666>But that would mean that if I wanted to buy an adult phone, I would have to verify my ageAt the very least, in this case, it'd be like flashing your ID at the liquor store or getting by without doing so because you look old enough. Your ID isn't going on record or anything and you wouldn't be checked further on the device afterwards. I'd much prefer that to what they're trying to implement right now.
No.160669
>>160668You already need to do that in most european countries anyway.
No.160671
>>160668I guess that even if someone could sell an adult unlocked phone to a kid after buying it, it would be just a few kids having unlimited access vs all of them, so maybe it work.
>>160669Yep. If I bought a phone with cash instead of a credit card they would probably register my ID, be it for tax purposes or to make sure the money is not stolen since reselling smartphones makes a lot of moolah. And identification for buying a pre-paid card has been mandatory since the 2000s terror attacks with call activated bombs.
No.160684
The rules are more lax in happenings thread than elsewhere on kissu but you're still expected to have something of substance in your post other than targeted aggression towards someone and/or spouting a generic template phrase.
No.160699
>>160663you over-estimate the skills of (most) children
I couldn't even figure out how to mod minecraft until I was like 15 and I'm (mostly) a pretty smart guy
the "children" who do figure things out will be teenagers and real whiz kids who are gonna get around fucking anything to see titties.
encouraging parental controls has ALWAYS been the right answer, not enforcing changes to websites themselves.
No.160700
>>160699This. Websites should only provide metadata for parental controls. That's where their responsibility ends.
No.160705
>>160704Because this is a thread for imageboard happenings. What are we supposed to do? Read your link and then gossip like teen girls about him? "Ohh, did you see his haircut! Pshaw! That ain't it, girlfriend!"
No.160707
>>160705Can we talk about how he stole $10k from anons and sent around a bunch of people to ruin everything in the altchan webring in an attempt to push anons towards his crappy infinitynext clone?
No.160708
>>160707I'm not declaring things as a mod or anything, but in general a discussion with a person as the focus instead of an event or board has had terrible results in this thread. People would probably love to talk about 8chan or the webring again in general, though.
No.160721
>>160642I think it's better for KF to exist and it was better for us when 8chan existed.
I am severely not a fan of either, particularly KF's spermery. But shit sites should stay up as a lightning rod for controversy.
No.160726
>>160725
Why the fuck do you think this kiwifarm-esque shit that starts with a wojak and is full of twitter screenshots is an IMAGEBOARD HAPPENING?
Fuck off with this garbage.
No.160727
>>160726That post was kind of rude of me. Sorry.
Let me reiterate: this thread is for imageboard happenings/meta talk.
This is not the place for drama wars between wojak factions and info dumps of perceived internet enemies. No.160755
What is this webring that everyone keeps mentioning? Is that just 8chan history? I only ever used /bane/ and we had nothing to do with the rest of the site really.
No.160791
>>160755After the third shooting, when 8chan lost its hosting for a while and then came back as the not-quite-the-same 8kun, several of the people who had run boards there set up their own sites, and a bunch of them decided to link to each other and show a merged board list. Sites have come and gone; currently linking to each other are:
https://smuglo.li/https://tvch.moe/https://zzzchan.xyz/https://alogs.space/https://prolikewoah.com/https://trashchan.xyz/https://erischan.org/https://junkuchan.org/https://nukechan.net/ No.160794
>>160791Thank you, I had no idea about any of that. That's interesting. While we are on this, would you happen to know if baneposters ever found a new home I could get on board to? I forgot when exactly it was, I assume sometime around 2016 - 2018 or so, where the page suddenly lead to nothing, it said nothing. I found back to it just a few months ago and victory seems to have defeated it, apparently us who are initiated are now just raising the fire on our own wherever we are. It's very lonely and /tv/ just isn't worth it with the 99% of hothead content, I don't feel in charge on there, nor would I ever want to.
No.160797
>>160794Could you start a Bane thread on kissu?
No.160800
>>160797Funnily enough, there is one:
>>114318The reception seems good, however, there is no way of handling such flight plan without becoming /baneg/, which would eventually not just destroy Kissu's good will toward us, but also introduce the risk of becoming a namefag-like circlejerk with common posters. I have refrained from advertising Kissu for the /jp/ portion over at the Wreckage Brother for this very reason and instead opted to sprinkle a little bit of scholarliness here and there where it doesn't burn anyone and comes in relation to Kissu-focused media.
As a side note, I believe we don't clash as hard because Baneposting and the autistic obsession over what is essentially just a onedimensional joke is very close to Japanese VIP-quality kusoposting in spirit, like Reimu Sit. I would hate for that relationship to get damaged by outstaying our welcome.
No.160829
crying for hima
No.160848
>>160794A lot of boards ended up on the webring when 8chan died. We only got a few hours notice that it was going offline. One site in the webring gathered a lot of boards but it causes issues because so many outside websites run by various people (/v/'s mod, kiwifarms admin, and another I've forgotten) spent all their time ddos'ing and spamming boards in the webring in the hopes of pushing anons into their sites. The /v/ admin tried to force everyone back to 8kun at one point. But it was terrible so he finally went back to running his own site with that known federal agent. Meanwhile, Josh's site spammed everyone only to die somehow in the end.
Long story short they ruined the webring's momentum and it pretty much died. There was also a lot of in-fighting within the ring itself. /tv/ in particular decided to go on a crusade again anime and lolis. Going so far as to report the loli boards to some of the hosting providers. Which spooked the admin of the main site where most of the boards ended up. So he kicked them all out on short notice.
Then several other sites within the webring got reported to hosting providers and ddos'ed. Someone didn't want another 8chan popping up and they did a good job of killing the momentum the webring had. Most people got tired of the constant drama and left forever.
I don't know where most anons ended up. I'd say most of them gave up forever and are no longer using imageboards at all. My home board is gone too.
No.160851
>>160848>I don't know where most anons ended up.I for one ended up here. Kissu is my new haunt.
No.160895
https://desuarchive.org/a/post/281871064A post like this get removed literally a minute after reporting it.
But all the schizo shitposting by ban evading spammers and mentally ill rabid fucks? Nope.
No.160896
>>160895I hope you weren't the one to report it >_>
No.160960
You can tell 4chan is dying. Threads stay up for days with few replies on boards where they used to die in hours even when they were active. Most of the posters that are on the boards I (used to) use have zero knowledge about the topics and mostly post nothing but rage bait. It must be bleeding users.
No.160976
>>160895only a total faggot would report that post
No.160977
>>160976They always get reported almost instantly these days and quickly deleted.
>No racism outside of /b/is one of the most abused rules to purge content the mods and people that took the place over a few years ago dislike. They usually do IP wipes over minor things like that. I've seen entire threads cleaned out over things like that. They nuke people over the most minor "racism" infractions. No banter is allowed anymore. This and being anti-fag are probably the most common things people get banned for now.
I'm surprised the word faggot is still allowed at all.
No.160988
>>160977They're cleaning out the election tourists, which is a good thing.
No.160989
>>160988>They're cleaning out the election tourists, which is a good thing.Is it? By their fruits....
No.161010
8kun is really hard to look at now. My god how does a site as big as 8chan become like that? There's literally no one left
And 420chan is still linking to leftypol, god damn
No.161012
>>161010When you're retarded and enforce that only specific inane topics are allowed, that's what happens.
No.161013
>>160976Total faggot reporting in. Trust me, even I would not.
No.161017
>>161010>My god how does a site as big as 8chan become like that?It becomes like that when its mismanaged by malicious retards (Hotwheels/Jim/Josh) and becomes the target of governments/corporations. The retards previously mentioned destroy everything they touch, and right now in fact Josh somehow wormed his way into litigation with 4chan against the UK's Ofcom. If you know anything about him you'll know he's a lolcow himself (If you believe in that) and has been a lying attention whore nuisance on the web since the 2000s. Hotwheels and Jim don't have the same resources and following as him and as such have pretty much simmered out.
No.161018
>>4165Does anyone have those imageboard catalogue sites, that list all of them, there was one that showed various IBs (and one forum i think?) with a short description, not allchans btw.
No.161021
>>161017>If you know anything about him you'll know he's a lolcow himself heres a classic ED article that should give a nice explanation about Josh, ttps://edramatica.com/Null as for Hotwheels, didn't he decide to buy out 420chan? h
No.161023
>>160704>>161021I guess we skipped over that, huh?
No.161024
They HAVE to know about the dramatica article about NULL that NO ONE knows about
No.161025
>>161024ED's stopped being mainstream tbh, I bet most people forgot it exists
No.161026
>>161025I just read it as erectile dysfunction.
No.161027
>>161025It's just that I've know about everything an outsider could know about 8chan's downward spiral that anyone could.
So seeing it posted every so often like it's breaking news is tiring.
But I guess people need the introductory material and I shouldn't gatekeep...
My more worthy ambition is to say that KF shouldn't exist as a site while permitting content that is not based around "documenting" random people without their consent...
No.161029
>>161027Well KF destroyed every board that was doing the same thing for the crime of documenting the day-to-day life of their beloved owner. KF itself is useless if you care about following lolcows because every thread is 2,000+ pages of novels posted by lolcows.
No.161030
>>161024>They HAVE to know about the dramatica article about NULL that NO ONE knows aboutI remember seeing it posted on a random thread on 4chan and everyone in that thread started freaking the fuck out over that pedophile screenshot as if it was some breaking news to them.
No.161032
Does KF stalk any 4chan schizos at all?
No.161035
>>160652Meaningless because the worst scoundrels ARE the ones in power who write these oppressive laws.
I don't think it takes beeg brain to realize the hypocrisy of kneejerk witch hunts against websites only suspected of breaking vaguely written CSAM laws in the name of morality while Epstein and Dutroux and their clientele can torture actual children on an industrial scale with only token acknowledgement.
Freedom is just freedom. If you can't help but be a retard when you're free that's your problem.
It's like blaming the devil for your bad behavior. "The DEVIL made me do it!!!!"
"The FREEDOM made me do it!!!!"
No.161046
>>160577/jp/ has always been a lost cause.
No.161049
>>160661You do know how CRAZY it sounds to just ask a parent to take care of their fucking children? "YOU DON'T TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY CHILD!" and then they proceed to "AIEEEEEEE DADDY GOVERNMENT PLEASE RAPE ME WITH RETARDED LEGISLATION TO PROTECT MY CHILDREN I DON'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT!"
No.161056
Damn kissu/hap/ revved up, i can barely keep up
>>161024>>160704Doens't pass my personal for "cite your fucking sources". IRC logs without a timestamp?.
>>161017Josh talks out his ass way too much for my liking, and he's very much a rightist activist that doesn't even have the balls to admit he uses the 'ol freedom of speech absolutism as smoke and mirrors to push for the red side.
>It becomes like that when its mismanaged by malicious retards (Hotwheels/Jim/Josh) One of these days someone is gotta have to write a 8ch story article. One that isn't just "here's a list of my favourite gangstalking conspiracies" and actually pays attention to what communities and cliques were dominant in 8ch and how they perceived themselves.
>>161032The 4chan thread but good luck reading more than 3 posts (there or anywhere else) without wanting to be yourself. Use keyword searches only. The "community" side of KF is the most god-awful shit I've ever read. Not 4/pol/, not even 8/pol/, got as schizophrenic as KF is today.
>>161049so true it hurts
No.161057
>>160848Real internet warfare shitte, right there. Reminds me of /i/nsurgency stories.
No.161063
>>160561>irrelevant topic>the newspeakification of language is a irrelevant topic.How about the fact that a thread like that should be instantly deleted? How about the fact that its a fucking abomination that the thread reached over 400 replies? Fuck off with this "they" newspeak bullshit.
>b-but shakespeareBe yourself.
>>160570>just stop noticingHow about no? Im not going to let some fucking faggot shit up my place. You might not have the same respect for imageboards that i have but this is my fucking home.
>>160579>It wasn't an issue before the world went retarded 10 years agoOh wow well its almost like next to nobody used it like that back then and only recently it has been forced by the subhumans of this world. You know the group im talking about. Faggots,trannies etc. And enough about this revisionism about how it was normally used. No. I was alive back then so you cant trick me faggot. Unkown gender? You use "he". Simple as that and that was the normal thing to do. You cannot rewrite history for people old enough to have experienced it. It might work for young people but your little revisionist scheme doesnt work on people like me.
>>160580>or one person. It's a catch-all. No this isnt true. Its plural. Not one person. Not singular.
>every native speaker does it.No not really
>>160584>so retarded use of 'they' isn't really an issueIt is an issue. A big one at that. The bastardization of a language isnt a big issue? The newspeak isnt a issue?
>They is the plural but it can also be the singularNo it cannot be singular. Stop trying to force it.
No.161065
>>161063That's great, how is any of that an imageboard happening.
No.161075
Well, I guess we've found the person that derailed that /a/ thread.
No.161077
>>160561If we're being honest /a/ is consistently one of the most sensitive boards across imageboards. People are going to stir shit just to stir shit because it will inevitably get some 4chan "muh pol/tourists/teens/newfags" purist bitching for the entire duration of the thread.
Its not like this is anything new, either. I wouldn't say its better now, just different. At least there aren't as many cancerous tripfags/identities anymore vying for attention and drama, just bots.
No.161078
>>161077I just wish /a/ didn't have so many fucking generals
No.161079
Should twitter threads really be bannable?
No.161084
>>161079Absolutely, also, make the posting of any non official accounts bannable, I don't care about randomliteralnobodywho
420_69, the most that should be allowed are verifiable announcements.
No.161085
>>161079Yes. It's only acceptable if some company is making an official statement about an anime or manga (in the case of /a/), not about some literal who retard spewing the most dumb fucking opinion known to man.
No.161086
>>161085I'd just like to get rid of the P*r#t N%t*0n spamming nigger shill.
No.161087
>>161079Yes, it's shit and only for stirring trouble.
No.161092
>>161046The day moot saw a vibrant Nijiura-esque community on /a/ and decided to ironically declare -that- is what doesn't belong on his Japanese inspired imageboard, it was over.
/jp/ is ontologically a mistake.
Oh no, weebs on the weeb site! Deliver us!
No.161093
Kagurabachi threads are the fastest in /a/ now despite not being a general. It only has threads for leaks and official chapter dumps, which usually reach +700 posts in less than 4 hours.
Users voluntarily agreed that having less threads is good, threads in the middle of the week are considered "falseflags" and saged accordingly. It's literally the only shounenshit thread fighting against general faggotry. It was a /dbs/ tier general at one point, no wonder nobody wants to go back to that.
No.161107
>>161079yeah
if xitternigger70 has such an interesting opinion feel free to paraphrase him in your post. you don't need to actually post a screenshot of him. you don't even need to mention that it's his xopinion.
No.161115
>>161092>on his Japanese inspired imageboard,moot and the raspberry heaven grunts he hanged out with never cared for 2D culture. They didn't hold it in contempt, it just didn't register as special or standout. 2chan to them was Jap TV, weird photos, original content and shitposts all remixed into funny jokes. That his friends and the RH gang were mostly composed of otakus (fuck, MVB, shii and a lot of old guard contributed to running Studio ADTRW) was just a minor detail, specially against their intent with 4chan.
They didn't want /a/ to be an otaku board. They wanted /a/ to discuss
the most godawful early 00s moeshit and azumanga daioh without getting swamped by shonen plebs or cringey glompers. You can go check the .net archive and see moot explicitly says he wants /a/ to be super nazi.
>weebs on the weeb site!2000s touhoufags were like 90% the reason /jp/ was created and i'm pretty calling those "nijiura" would have gotten you stoned to death in sharia court back in 2chan.
No.161117
Has anyone had their threads instantly deleted before on 4chan? It's happened to me twice in a row now. So fast that it doesnt even show up on any archive. And i even received a custom warning message from the mods for my first thread.
No.161118
>>161117Yes certain keywords cause that. I've also seen threads that did manage to stay up for 10-15 minutes not end up in archives. Now that you've trigger it a couple of times you'll be watched more closely. Enjoy your extra attention.
No.161124
>>161115>On second thought, maybe a Japan/General board is in order. Japan was originally supposed to be culture/language board. I guess we might be able to make /jp/ to offload all of the misc. Japanese crap from other boards. >Japanese crap from other boards. Oh noes!
Anyhow I think this post is what I was vaguely remembering, straight from the horses mouth.
No.161130
>>161117What was it about? Also
>>161118 No.161131
When did you realize that 4chan mods act like schizos, except with power?
No.161134
>>161131Like around 10 years ago.
No.161140
>>161124>Japanese crap from other boards. which was
>2hus>ronery threads>vnsand i don't remember if jap sex toys were a thing before jp.
Nijiura stuff doesn't get revered until the mid 2010s. /jp/ was a different beast that didn't distinguish between 2D and 3D at all (in contrast 4chan's first interaction with 2chan was nijiura boards staging a protest exodus to /c/ because karirin forgot to delete a couple 3D threads).
No.161144
>>161140You left out figures not being welcome at the time in /a/.
The 3d stuff wasn't really a thing in pre-split /a/ where the biggest controversies I can recall at all, since you bring up /c/, was routinely trying to banish moeshit there on the grounds 'they're just dump threads'. I don't remember moe being top down embraced by the staff culture at all at least narrowly where /a/ was involved.
No.161146
>>161127I'm guessing that board has a strong presence on social media to grow so rapidly? Or where did it pull people from?
Other imageboards would desperately want to know its secret for sure.
No.161147
>>161144No mentions of shonens being insta ban with no explanation? /a/ was extremely over moderated early on.
4chan from 2003 to 2008 must be seen with a different set of standards than the rest of the site's history. It was very much controlled by moot's clique and their personal interests took prevalence above all. mootocracy et al.
Onwards sees people start to fight back with the concept of board culture (aka "every board has their own set of in-jokes and needs space for their own off-topic threads) and mods make the decision to be more hands-off, at least until mood reforms the site in 2013 and starts the slow process of killing all board culture.
No.161149
>>161147>4chan from 2003 to 2008 must be seen with a different set of standards than the rest of the site's history. It was very much controlled by moot's clique and their personal interests took prevalence above all. mootocracy et al.Just continuing a proud tradition started on SA. Don't forget to send the 10bux
No.161161
>>161146Vocaloid... There's nothing much to it.
No.161166
>>161146speaking as a frequent user, we do not have any secret really lmao we're just all really autistic about vocaloid and that seems to reel people in
No.161169
>>161093>It's literally the only shounenshit thread fighting against general faggotryBachifags didn't fight against generalfaggotry, they forced WSJ threads originally made twice a week to discuss leaks and new chapters to be 24/7 dumping grounds full of ritualposting, schizo falseflaggers and miscelaneous spam originated from Kagurabachi threads. You can open a WSJ thread at any time and find tons of low-quality posts about kagurabachi and fights with other manga that are never deleted.
>It was a /dbs/ tier general at one pointBecause many bachifags are /dbs/ rejects that aped the worst memes and behavior of dragonspics and chainsawfags and adapted it for their threads. 4chan's Kagurabachi fans are like children copying "gangsta rappers", they're pure cancer.
No.161170
I wonder how much you have to pay hiroyuki to get 24/7 mod protected generals.
No.161174
>>161078I think generals are a net positive for imageboard organization. It's difficult to fathom something as popular and diverse as anime being able to thrive without that structure.
No.161176
>>161174It also has the benefit of preventing the popular series from clogging up the rest of the board, by containing most of the discussion to a single thread for each. It's not the only possible solution, of course, but simply getting rid of the generals would almost certainly not be beneficial.
No.161184
>>161130It was a thread shitting on valve and steam.
No.161186
I think it's been mentioned here before, but generals serve as natural insulation against the torrent of '(thing) is SHIT and you're a FAGGOT if you disagree' type of posters that exist for literally everything these days. If you want to kill off generals for good, you're going to have to address that first if you want it to have a positive effect.
Actually, come to think of it, why do they protect so well against that? I suppose it's because even the bog standard asshole recognizes that a general isn't going to be receptive to their messaging, and the wilier assholes realize that an attempt to cultivate an illusion of popular disdain for a subject in an already established and active thread about said subject would be unconvincing. That still leaves the well and truly deranged, of course (and those types do post in generals), but they are far less common.
No.161209
>>161207Damn, only 44. Guess it's just a reminder to everyone to get preventative cancer screenings.
No.161211
>>161079lol there's a twitter thread on /v/ that has a post that has 2 likes and 87 views LOL
This shit needs to go lol
No.161213
>>161211I haven't browsed /v/ in forever but do
LOL threads still exist?
No.161214
>>161213Sometimes, they're increasingly less and less common as the board is filled with abysmal dogshit twitter/reddit/eceleb/culturewar threads. I haven't frequented that place in a long time either though.
No.161215
>>4165I got beaned off 4chins and I can't get past the cloudflare bullshit even with ubo off, looks like kissu is my new home.
No.161235
>>161161>>161166>>161221My hope is that 39chan can at least introduce more people into imageboard culture that they might become frequent users somewhere else later on.
No.161245
So someone can just promote their YouTube channels with barely anything to do with otaku culture and they're allowed to stay to the point of getting archived? Thank you mods, very cool.
https://boards.4chan.org/jp/thread/49957569 No.161246
>>161245Should have posted "go back to /vt/" if you wanted to summon a janitor.
No.161258
>>161235A lot of them are already jaypees who moved there because of how bad the Vocaloid threads have become there. To give you an idea at the beginning of this year there was a ban-evading ESL spammer posting CP every time someone criticized Teto and the jannies would take hours deleting it.
No.161260
>>161259They just copied what I did for kissu when it was announced! I should sue.
Well, without the autoplay sound since people seem to hate that.
No.161269
>>161235i mean, the site has /jp/ roots
No.161271
>>161245I'm surprised those guys are still around, I thought they had died off like maybe a long time ago
No.161273
>>161260>Well, without the autoplay sound since people seem to hate that.philistines
No.161274
>>161260>Well, without the autoplay sound since people seem to hate that.It's fun buy highly annoying because any time auto-play sound is added to a board I lurk I always see it at the worse possible time. Last time it happened I was lurking late at night in bed on laptop and had forgotten the volume was turned up high from listening to music a few hours prior. Ended up waking everyone up in the house (still had house mates back then) and in the morning I had to explain what I was doing in bed and why it involved a sexually excited loli.
>>161271>>161245Self promotion of youtube channels are rampant on every board since a few years ago. They've all figured out how to get away with it too. Instead of posting one thread asking people to check out their content they pretend to be trolling themselves and/or the users of the board. There is some fat 3DPD doing it on /g/ every week now. Trying to meme herself into the new "Queen of /g/" hoping to be added to the sticky next to Satania.
Speaking of /g/, I lurked it against my better judgement over the past week and it's DEAD. Threads are staying up for days now with few replies. The handful of threads I've found with actual people in them only occur between 2-5am EST. Around 5pm the bots, shills and people posting the same bait over and over again show up.
The only thread on the board that has real people in it outside of those hours seems to be the lisp general. As much as I hate general threads that one actually has people in it doing /tech/ stuff and helping each other.
Everything else is basically product shilling or the same daily bait like C vs. Rust and legions of replies calling anyone schizo that posts anything even vaguely outside of the new enforced norms of discussion (e.g. Anything to do with Linux that doesn't praise systemd/pipewire/wayland, anything trying to improve the experience on Windows or encouraging people not to update to 11, anything that isn't pro-Apple, anything that mentions stuff like Snowden leaks/backdoors in software/hardware, or any one attempting to talk about non-x86/ARM hardware or lesser known OSs).
No.161275
>>161245One thing I forgot to say about youtubers (and other social media whores) shilling themselves. Back before 8ch got shut down there was the /cow/ board which was very active back then and wasn't just one crappy general thread.
I don't have archives of this so you'll have to take my word for it. But when the whole "internet bloodsports" BS was happening and they were making huge money off super chats everyday the 15-20 streamers profiting off of it got caught participating in that thread. They all got baited into clicking a link that exposed their dox. The board had IDs and the thread was a cyclical those never changed if you didn't switch your own IP address. So anons got to go back weeks/months and find every post they'd made.
They were all attempting to use the board as their personal army along with promoting themselves. Pretending to be anons and hosting re-streams on non-youtube platforms where they were raking in donations there too on the side by pretending to hate/troll themselves. Ethan Ralph or whatever his name is had a lackey that was posting in that thread hundreds of times daily. Pretending to be multiple people from multiple IP addresses. Trying to damage control and steer anons into ignoring certain information and sliding off blame on streamers that were using the same time slot as they were. Later on it was discovered through a discord server leak that 5 of them had agreed not to use each other timeslots for streaming. That way they could stream all day and rake in superchats while pretending to be beefing with each other on youtube. Then they were sharing the profits among their group.
This was also how I discovered all these streamers are operating as 501(c) charity organizations.
He was mentioned before ITT but the Kiwifarms owner was also sending a personal army to shit up that board constantly with sliding attempts and pizza spam. Once he started streaming on youtube he started participating in that general too. They were hell bent on destroying /cow/ because it was the main competition to kiwifarms and they didn't like it because they couldn't censor discussion about lolcows they say aren't really lolcows (like Ralph and Josh). They tried to slide their own pasts posted on the board within their threads (and their dox plus other information about how they were not paying taxes on donations and the amounts they were making which was into the thousands weekly).
It was really interesting lurking that board. I hated what it became during this era though. Hence why all this crap was in a cyclical general thread. It was an attempt to contain that cancer because it was ruining the rest of the board and sliding years old threads about actual lolcows and lolcow history off the catalog.
When /cow/ moved to the webring and set-up their own imageboard all of these people followed and got outed again for what they were doing. /cow/'s node took in A LOT of boards that needed a home and it was the best hope of holding the old 8ch boards together. In that crucial period Josh's group who had opened their own new imageboard hoping to attract users spent tons of effort ruining /cow/'s node. They did every dirty trick in the book. Pizza spam nightly. Spamming boards with content the anons on it hated then blaming it on /cow/ or another board. Raising hell in the /meta/ board about how we needed rule changes to disallow anime/lolis/misc. content because it would ruin the place and the spammers were constantly posting it. Then applying for moderation positions. Claimed the rule the node had on admins not interfering with how board owners moderated their own boards was bad. Claimed the hard line global rule on free speech just don't post anything illegal under US law would lead to the death of the place. One managed to sneak into the moderator team and then pissed off every last board by going on a deletion spree when he knew all the other admins and mods were asleep. The admins had to restore multiple boards from backups. On and the good old spamming pizza from tor and all popular VPNs then turning around and claiming the admins were feds for having to temp. ban them to stop the spam gambit.
Hence why I really dislike Josh. Even if he hadn't scammed 8ch anons out of all that money and ruined any chance of improvements within the imageboard engines source code despite multiple good programmers offering to do it for free. Will never understand why Jim Watkins and the cripple hired that guy. Of course I dislike both of them too now. Jim Watkins has ruined both the English and Japanese imageboards over the years. Dude is squatting on an entire IP4 block. Really shady guy. Pretty sure he's a glow nigger or on their pay roll. Especially after I watched him testify in front of the US Congress after one of the shootings with a Q pin on his lapel then turning around and re-launching under the 8kun name while allowing Q-tards to take over and all the "technical errors" the place has and still suffers from last I checked.
Seeing 8ch die and all those small active boards go along with it was really heart breaking. I was pretty addicted to the place and a lot of the hidden and other small boards. Really good discussion was happening. Reminded me so much of pre-2010s web forums. Tons of those boards and the high quality posters that were using them are lost forever and no archives exist of them. If I'd know 8ch was going to die on such short notice I would have archived as much as possible. I really miss the board for arcade owners where new arcade games were being dumped constantly.
Of course, place was a hit of a honeypot too. A lot of people forget about the Sunshine leaks and how they were logging information about users long term just in case they needed to send it off to the Feds.
No.161276
>>161275Long long post but I need to add one more thing. When all those people got outed on that /cow/ thread it was discovered that in addition to the streamers there were multiple youtube moderators also lurking. I'm not exactly sure what those people are called. But it was the people that could get channels unbanned after they were banned/limited due to strikes.
They had been lurking that thread for months so they could get ahead of the strike system and make sure their favored political streamers weren't getting banned by the automated system.
It also came out that there was a private discord server where those people and most famous streamers from 2015-2019 era were all chatting together. It was where they organize their talking points for the coming days/week and get instructions from the "PR guys" on what they could and couldn't say.
If you look around the webring maybe you can find archives of all this stuff.
There was also a thread posted at one point where there was an "altchan federation" discord server leak. That included hours of voice chat recordings and the entire text log. The server consisted of several admins running alt-chans that were conspiring to drive traffic to their own boards by spamming other smaller ones with pizza and shilling themselves on 4chan and other social media websites. I think the admins from /cow/'s node got invited in then they spent a week recording everything then dumped it all.
Last I checked the thread had been slid off the board it was on. But maybe it's in archives. When that thread was posted it was instantly spammed with bots and the pizza spam was off the charts. Made a lot of people angry.
No.161310
I wonder why 8chan never had an archive. For the size of it you would think it would have one.
There was an official one in 2015-2016 but it barely lasted for a month before they took it down. Dudwheels even made a few posts mentioning it on the 8twitter.
>>161260I wouldn't be surprised if the 4chan administration is lurking here. More often than not the scummiest are the ones trying to "control the narrative" and "spy on potential threats".
No.161311
>>161147>every board has their own set of in-jokes and needs space for their own off-topic threadsThese were the best. I miss discussing random shit with people whose interests and personalities aligned with mine. Nowadays out of media boards only those that aren't infested with generals like /v/ and /tv/ get to have such threads. Jay has suffered the most from this I think.
No.161312
>>161310I don't think they care about Kissu but they do actively remove posts mentioning 8chan to this day which is fucking pathetic.
No.161316
>>161310Most boards are so fucking dead, threads from years ago are still live.
No.161318
>>160639hamsters give me anxiety. one moment they stare you down as if with contempt, the next moment they die for no reason whatsoever as if you paying attention is the fault behind this
No.161319
>>161221I wanted to say "well then where's a robot wife of one" but then I recalled the Adachi Rei WIP
No.161328
>>161245/jp/ I love you, but you're bringing me down...
>>161319>WIPIt was finished 8 months ago. The same guy also did a Miku robot years before Rei.
No.161342
>>161275So you 100% believe "esther" was Josh's imageboard cabal? The webring war has been discussed by many in this thread, including admins directly involved. Your claim is new afaik and I'd very much like to see where you got that idea from.
>>161276>It also came out that there was a private discord server where those people and most famous streamers from 2015-2019 era were all chatting together. It was where they organize their talking points for the coming days/week and get instructions from the "PR guys" on what they could and couldn't say.Those posts never got screenshotted?
>There was also a thread posted at one point where there was an "altchan federation" discord server leak. That included hours of voice chat recordings and the entire text log. The server consisted of several admins running alt-chans that were conspiring to drive traffic to their own boards by spamming other smaller ones with pizza and shilling themselves on 4chan and other social media websites. I think the admins from /cow/'s node got invited in then they spent a week recording everything then dumped it all.Bro what the fuck. Name your sources right the fuck now.
>>161310It had. It was deliberately gutted and obfuscated when they realized they were likely being fedded.
No.161346
>>161276>>161342The links to the "Alt Chan Federation" stuff are still in the archive here. >>9474
https://mega.nz/folder/qNwmmIrI#HwPnIVBGVzVMqQpgXtmpTQIt's about 13 hours of people discussing promoting their imageboards in some of the gayest ways you could imagine.
No.161348
>95% of posts are about image boards that cover 0.1% of all image board users
No.161354
>>161348who quote greener
No.161355
>>161348if we are going to find out this concerns you in a negative light for you, would we be surprised?
No.161356
>>161346That link leads to three empty folders.
No.161358
>>161348Well, post your happenings then
No.161372
>>161371
No, the site spammed ads everywhere is not a happening.
No.161423
>>161356My bad. Not sure why it was removed, but here are the parts I have saved:
Day 1
AltChanFederation - Day 1 Part 1.webm
https://pomf2.lain.la/f/g5d9sgk.webmAltChanFederation - Day 1 Part 2.webm
https://pomf2.lain.la/f/wlh661cw.webmAltChanFederation - Day 1 Part 3.webm
https://pomf2.lain.la/f/o1cxqutm.webmTimestamps.txt
https://pomf2.lain.la/f/375q0zop.txtDay 2
AltChanFederation - Day 2 Part 2.webm
https://pomf2.lain.la/f/zwhpuqxr.webmAltChanFederation - Day 2 Part 3.webm
https://pomf2.lain.la/f/9njw1dtw.webm No.161425
>>161423Do any of these include that loser admin that went on for hours about his religious beliefs that were tied to entry level 2016 era /pol/ trolling? I can't remember what all he said now but it was funny. Something about black people and yellow people being able to reincarnate as white people if they passed some shit test. It was amazing.
>>161423>Not sure why it was removedMy guess would be someone managed to get it taken down through DMCA or something considering how flooded that thread was the moment it was posted.
No.161455
>>161423It's a cabal alright but I very much doubt these guys spammed pizza.
No.161458
>>161425I haven't watched everything, but on Day 2 he goes on about reptilians, harpies, and mermaids.
>>161455I doubt it also. Probably just
>>161276's memory embellishing things. They did talk about undermining other boards with manufactured drama.
No.161459
>>158152He was that well-known?
No.161465
>>161464That's really cool! May want to purge some of the dead/inactive boards, though. 4taba is read-only and hasn't 1chan been dead for years now?
No.161472
>>161464>As an example, I want to replace the TTS voice with people recording a sample of their own voice saying the name of the board that they frequently browse / used to browse, although this features 93 different boards which might be difficult to make come to fruition.That sounds kind of like a cool idea.
No.161478
>>161464Is the toilet flushing SFX during Kissu a reference to Verniy?
No.161479
>>161478It's just the 'pissu' thing I'm sure...
No.161484
>>161169Gottem.
I'm now closer to the truth over why you're so obsessed.
No.161485
HABBENING: 4chan accepts new janny applications!
So if you're a schizo who needs more control, apply now!
No.161487
>>161485Is anyone seriously going to apply after the whole staff got doxxed just 5 months ago?
No.161488
>>161487implying people who want to be janitors have anything left to lose
No.161489
>>161487best to time apply is after vulns got fixed and measures implemented.
No.161495
>>161487Of course. Schizos don't act rationally.
No.161498
>>161490Are you really ok with disclosing your full name, address and face to complete strangers that are known for being spiteful towards users and janitors alike, right after the site suffered a massive data breach that gave kiwi/soy tards enough info to dox various janitors?
No.161501
>>161498I am in fact really ok with giving a fake name and generic address and couldn't care less if RapeApe swoons at my dashing good looks. The rest doesn't affect me.
If I could verify a fucking mail that is.
No.161520
>>161464what ever happened to 164, the /sc2/ - star craft 2 general, that got banned from /vg/? Is their stie still around?
No.161523
>>161498Yes, the government has already fucked me in the ass far harder. I don't care. I also don't really care if I get contacted for going further with the interview either.
I'm a fucking nobody and there is no professional life to ruin from cancelling, but if some internet schizo comes to my door depending on how unhinged they seem and how they smell and my specific mood that day I may invite them for beer or I might shoot them in the face.
No.161524
>>161522right it's 162
thanks anon
No.161539
>>161532>shitapeEvery time.
No.161544
>>161522hima's red haired stepchild
No.161545
>>161532funny how /vr/'s janny got away with nannying /doom/ for years
No.161549
>>161544Yeah that place was collaborating evidence in the 4/qa/ theory of universal general collapse. All generals eventually undergo the great hima-fication process during a spiritual death that can precede the physical death by years. It's part of the natural lifecycle. Nature is cruel, but efficient.
No.161551
>>161549wasn't sc2 actually taken over by himaposters
No.161552
>>161547>10 threads per minuteChrist what a shithole.
No.161595
>>161550why do we have a /pol/ thread?
No.161597
>>161485I'd rather apply for CIA or FBI and GET PAID fo control 4chan.
No.161598
>>161547The only important thing I know is that multiple witches were hired in August to hex him. Didn't know I could GET PAID for doing magic
No.161600
>>161598>Didn't know I could GET PAID for doing magicmeme magic is not real magic
No.161603
>>161600I agree but also disagree and you're not being a good constructive anon also
No.161607
>>161587
It's just good old hypocrisy and double standards. They're fully aware of it (at least the grifters on the top, maybe not the NPCs), but they think it's justified because their opponents are the same. All while they're actually worse. They previously loathed the "establishment", now they're opening their asses to the new establishment. Yep, they're whores.
No.161615
non-happening posts are going to be deleted
No.161626
>>161607Reminds me of why I hate nu/v/ and left around 2015 they basically just became worse mirrored caricatures of the SJWs they oppose. BTW seriously miffed how nu/v/ has moved into 4/jp/ now and are just immediately bringing /pol/itics into discussions
No.161649
So many boards are dead as a fucking doornail. I miss /fa/
No.161652
Non-happening political posting has been deleted from the thread.
No.161662
>>161652You forgot a post, but I don't mind because it's mine.
Anyway, talking about the state of certain boards and its inhabitants should be allowed, even if it's /pol/.
No.161664
>>161662if people keep going out of that topic then it's one that's going to require constant moderation. And topics that require constant moderation end up creating side effect problems
No.161752
>>161741lazy german is lazy. he already pointed out the problem, he can't ass himself to do it.
independent scrappers have corroborated that activity on 4chan is already at pre hack levels, people need to stop the fantasizing.
No.161754
>>161752>independent scrappers have corroborated that activity on 4chan is already at pre hack levelsNo way. It's way down.
No.161770
>>161741The owner is rewriting the entire site from scratch after the hack and /qa/'s deletion broke parts of it (mainly the graph). I think he mentioned something about changing how activity was measured, but I'm too lazy to browse archives to find his posts.
No.161849
>>161848>You need only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.Famous last words.
No.161850
>>161848Exodus where? I'm not going to 8cuties.
No.161851
>>161849Unironically quoting a suicidal artist is a crime that should be met with forced revocation of their NEET card
No.161852
>>161850Everyone's coming to kissu I hear!
No.161853
>>161852I wish we had more people to come here, it's comfy.
No.161854
>>161853I started frequenting after the big hack but it's the only imageboard I use anymore. I really like it here.
No.161855
4taba will triumph over everyone in the end
No.161856
>>161852It was shit during the downtime, I only stayed here for this metathread.
No.161857
>>161848>Seems frustration with the site is global now and it keeps growing./jp/ has been frustrated with the site since time immemorial and yet most of them returned to very same site after it went back online only to continue complaining about the state of the board again.
I don't really get it, they can post the exact same threads here and not worry about /v/hu shitposting and vtumor spam and needing to filter out all the 3DPD which is like, what, 1/3 of the board now?
No.161858
>>161857As far as I go, I still use both but flipped the time spent on each. Here a lot more than there.
But yeah, things are pretty grim over there.
No.161887
>>161127He just casually showed up again to ask for merch ideas and left lol
>>161848/jp/fag here. People here seem to be fed up with what the mods allow and ban. A couple of them have moved to other sites already (Kissu being one of the main ones it seems). How bad is it on the other boards? I don't browse /v/ at all for example.
No.161904
>>161857The frustration is at a boil now, I haven't gone back to 4/jp/ in a while, I checked yesterday and I would say its half garbage and half threads not worth looking at anymore. The character threads are pretty much dead since they devolve into kuso /v/hu memes or it has like 2 pity posts.
>>161887I am gonna stay here since having /a/ and /jp/ comfortably together, along with /tech/ and a well regulated /v/ feels alot better to post in than the current state of 4chan.
No.161907
>>161857Ever since the hack, I've significantly reduced my 4chins posting and at this point I post more in Kissu than in /jp/ or /a/. RapeApe should be dragged across the street naked for what he's doing to the site, but I also recognize that at this point it's beyond any repair or salvation.
On the bright side, those who move to other imageboards and altchans like Kissu, Hikari, Wapchan, 39chan, etc, will be actual anons rather than plebbitfags and twittertards who want to treat them like absolutely low quality dogshit garbage dump venting sites without getting their reddit/twitter account banned.
No.161912
>>161848you are confusing the shrinking, decaying forest known as "chanverse" for 4chan lonely tree.
Registration-less Imageboards always nucleated towards a single site. Nothing would change except a single megasite remplazing 4chan
No.161914
>>161912I kind of prefer the decentralized nature of the /jp/ & /a/ spinoffs. Sure, it might be cool to have a more formal way to view all the different boards together from kissu, wapchan, hikari3, 39chan, and others, but I like that all the sites despite having similar topics have their own cultures as well.
No.161916
>>161915I tried lurking around on /g/ the last week and posted a handful of times. I'm pretty convinced there isn't anyone real on the board anymore. I knew it was already horrible 10-12 years ago which is why so many migrated out to /tech/ back then. I know even 3 years ago there were a handful of real people left that got forced back when the /tech/ offshoots all died off or either got intolerable after /tech/ was taken over by that small group of polish posters.
Anyway, /g/ is pretty obviously comprised of a few paid shills, blatant advertising threads and a handful of people posting the same bait on repeat. They don't even bother to try to hide it anymore. Many using tripcodes and names while making the same threads everyday and keeping them bumped. Which isn't hard considering the pph of the board has plummeted even compared to this time last year. There are currently multiple threads I've had loaded into background tabs for almost a week now that have barely 100 posts in them. Always bumped when they hit page 9 of course.
The few actual people trying to post something original like projects they're working on or attempting to collaborate on projects are always quickly banned or their threads flooded by one-liner demoralization either posted by bots or the few people posting the dedicated bait threads everyday. Mods are obviously the ones posting some of those. Threads get quickly slid and bots stop engaging in them if people are smart enough not to follow their prepared scripts. Which mostly boil down to stirring up drama about recent tech news or the usual console war type posts. Any criticism of tech news coming out of the big tech companies is quickly shouted down and anyone posting it is accused of being controlled op e-celebs (or followers) or people like that Lunduke faggot that's constantly being posted in twitter screencap threads. The rest of the posts are mainly a mix of people raiding from discord channels or small time e-celebs attempting to promote themselves.
There is almost zero redeeming discussion to be found outside of the lisp general. For whatever reason that's left alone.
The most ironic thing and a good example of the bots/shills/bad actors following the divide and conquer scripts is the rampant piracy/warez and GNU zealot-ism. Promoting piracy seems a-okay if you're promoting use of things like private torrent trackers. But anyone suggesting the use of things like USENET, IRC or other forms of really free and/or encrypted (hard to shut down) p2p file sharing is shouted down. Copyrighted/patented software is deemed okay to violate the law on if it's commercial software. But anyone posting that it's stupid to follow the rules of GNU and ignoring software licenses all together. Which allows you to mix BSD/MIT/GNU/etc code freely without all the stupid work arounds and rules is shouted down. If you point out this is no different than ignoring the copyrights of something like Windows or Adobe products or using cracks the responders either pretend to be retarded and just repeat their scripted replies or more often they stop engaging in the discussion all together while trying to slide it.
Long story short. It's a horrible place and the vast majority of people posting on it now have no idea what they're talking about. They're just there for /v/-tier console war bullshit and attempting to promote things like their horrible re-writes of old POSIX software in languages like Rust and trying to kill interest in anything original some anon might be trying to get help developing. The old distrust of major tech companies and services like github are long gone. If you point out using something like github is really bad and that you should host your own repos instead you're called a schizo and ignored through obvious bot posting. Typically, by one or two people using bots to pretend to be either side of the divide they're trying to promote.
No.161917
>>161916(cont.)
Half the board is just one-liner "Use case?" and "Let's all have console war thread about programming languages" and "plz post in my Apple bait thread (posted by the same mod everyday)" and shit like "<x> general tech support which are simply copy/pastes from stackoverflow".
The fact that there are TWO daily threads for "tech workers general" and they're some of the most active should be an instant tip-off that the board is not worth posting on at all.
The entire board is the same threads copy/pasted everyday on repeat. Where any non-scripted responses are instantly shouted down by the same people (and their bots) pretending to be retarded. Like they're unaware of things actual anons have pointed out about glaring problems happening in several different software projects. Like the decline of many Linux distros. What's happening to the Linux kernel lately. What's happening to new hardware becoming even more locked down. Planned obsolescence becoming more blatant. Updates about things happening in less mainstream OS and general software projects. Many other things of this nature. You can't even have a friendly discussion about things like C and other low level software anymore on /g/. Never mind discussion of anything new and exciting that needs more contributors.
The most frustrating thing is seeing the mods and the people shitting up the board everyday claiming every opinion they dislike is "/pol/ shit" while doing nothing but posting politically motivated crap on repeat.
You can't even talk about the old hacker ethics there anymore. They're now considered "schizo shit".
I think the decline of this hobby and all discussion platforms surrounding it has hurt me the most. I didn't care about video games as much because frankly I stopped really paying attention to them circa-2010 when they all got boring and samey and less original stuff was being developed even in the doujin scene. But losing the ability to talk about /g/ and /o/ stuff really hurt. /a/ stuff isn't _that_ bad despite the blatant shilling and all threads being generals now. Since there were still small pockets where you could find nice people to talk to and smaller places like kissu have enough people around to make it viable. But losing the ability to have a good /tech/ discussion has been so depressing. It's so bad now that younger people don't remember what it was like even 10-15 years ago and think what we have now is normal and that nothing is wrong with what's going on in the modern /tech/ sector.
No.161918
>>161916>I'm pretty convinced there isn't anyone real on the board anymore.Little correction: There are a few real people. Especially at early morning hours EST when the mods are asleep and the bots/shills seem to be off duty or at least less active. But the old 3-5 hour window of that time is now only like 1-2 hours tops.
Plus any time I did attract a real user that wanted to have a real discussion the thread was almost instantly slid. Since as soon as 2-3 real people find each other in a thread the bots stop responding almost instantly.
If you go off-script and manage to attract real discussion the thread is either always instantly slid or just straight up deleted.
No.161919
>>161916>>161917>>161918Some examples of topics that are frustrating to discuss on /g/ (and most smaller /tech/ off shoots) now. Although, /maho/ isn't _that_ bad but mainly because it's less people and I don't think bot/shill posting is rampant here yet. So it's mainly just people on the smaller ones that haven't looked at anything outside of the modern /tech/-bubble stuff. Which is understandable to some extent because there is no where to really learn about it anymore if you don't lurk mailing lists and the few old discussion platforms on the web for it that are all almost dead since the greybeards are starting to die off en-mass.
¥ KernelsAttempting to discuss the many issues in the post-2.x Linux kernel is impossible because threads are instantly flooded or deleted in some cases. Discussion of older kernels and new micro-kernels concepts barely gets you 3 replies or gets you a flood of console war type posts from people claiming nothing is wrong with the NT/Linux/other major UNIX kernels. For something "every CS students learns" there is almost zero real discussion about them happening anymore where you can be pseudo-anonymous while doing it. Even discussion of them on mailing lists is starting to become really rare.
¥ Operating systemsSee above but even more console-wary. Which is mainly because...
¥ Modern lower Linux userspace (and the post-Windows 10 sub-system)Since about 4.xx series of Linux kernel a lot of bad things have been happening. A dual problem of code being accepted that shouldn't/code being removed that shouldn't combined with the political nature of contributing to the kernel now. Like the fact that a large part of the world's population was recently banned from contributing for various reasons.
Discussion of new exciting init systems and lower level stuff surrounding it is pretty much banned and/or flooded instantly now. All because of IBM's and Microsoft's push to push one de-facto software stack for this stuff in the last decade or so. Every thread becomes "why you hate systemd?" within 1-2 replies. Even if you're there in good faith to talk about things like s6, GNU's Shepard and other cool init+lower userspace systems that try to improve on old school scripts+daemons and many doing it better than systemd (imo). In other words, the very idea of _choice_ is shouted down. Even though that was kind of always the point of why the *nix ecosystem of OSs was around in the fist place.
¥ Programming languagesThis has never had to be a console war type thing although yes there has always been good banter around this topic (much like the old editor holy wars).
Go try to discuss something like D, Zig, HolyC and the many other attempts to improve both low level and high level programming for common OSs (mostly UNIX stuff admittedly). The thread is always flooded by people trying to bait replies to talk about Rust. Mainly because Rust has a lot of big tech companies behind it. Which is why they're all sitting on the committees and foundations surrounding that programming language. Strangely, they seem to leave the lisp ones a lone most of the time because I guess they figure it's already dead outside of emacs. But I guess that isn't a surprise because these same companies like IBM worked really hard back in the day to kill lisp based languages in the 70s-90s and did a good job of it.
¥ Old hardware being made obsolete on purposeBy "old" I don't just mean 1990s and back era hardware either. I mean even 10-15 year old AMD64 CPU based platforms and ARM stuff even just a few years old sometimes.
This ties into the example above about programming languages because that's mostly how they're doing it. They're pushing out new compilers and languages that break compatibility with recent hardware on purpose. Then claiming it's in the name of safety while this new hardware is adding more backdoor's and intended exploits by the year. But when you look into who's pushing both of these things it becomes really obvious as to why. They don't want people figuring out they can run modern software fine on even a 15 year old CPU+GPU. Hardware power has stagnated to that point over the last decade. Aside from....
¥ LLM discussionYou'll find plenty about running someone else's model locally on your blackbox GPU or renting a server. But if you point out that you shouldn't rely on this stuff because it requires use of proprietary hardware/software/drivers and if you use a server usually slurps up all the meta data it can while locking you out of all of the features prepare to get run out of the threads fast or banned.
I don't mind people playing with LLMs. But this situation with Nividia shouldn't be tolerated. AMD is just as bad about it. GPUs should not be a blackbox and they're mostly that way to prevent a real FOSS/hacker level of tinkering and improvement like we got thanks to x86 CPUs and the 70s-80s era CPUs before them being a (mostly) open platform to write software for.
No.161920
>>161919(cont.)
To sum it up: Take any of the hacker ethics (http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker-ethic.html) and try to post honestly while following them. Enjoy your ban.
Fun fact: catb.org, gnu.org and many other old stores of old hacker lore/information/advice have been under constant DDOS attacks for a solid year. In fact, gnu.org has been suffering from it so badly it's becoming hard to even set-up your emacs config on a new machine or pull packages from guix channels anymore. I had to wait 8 hours last week when I updated my local emacs installation and needed to pull down everything from elpa/melpa I usually use. A couple of months ago I couldn't install Guix on a new system I was installing it on due to the constant DDOS attacks.
Read more about the GNU DDOS attacks here:
https://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2024/fall/fsf-sysops-cleaning-up-the-internethttps://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2025/spring/defending-savannah-from-ddos-attacksHow much discussion is on places like /g/? Zero. If you try to post a thread about it good luck getting anyone to reply at all. But you shouldn't have to be starting threads about something like this in the first place. 10-15+ years ago it would have been one of those topics that would have had year+ long running general thread and discussed for years after the fact. But on modern /g/? Not a peep out of anyone. Despite the fact that a lot of them are constantly defending GNU utils and re-posting the same daily bait about people like Stallman.
It's really amazing how much /tech/ discussion has changed on the internet since 2016. It isn't just on places like /g/ either. /. went to pot decades ago as well as all the other usual places. The old IRC channels are particularly awful now for some reason. But even on those there were still pockets of good discussion sometimes and the long time users tended to keep talking among themselves. But since 2016 all those greybeards have either gotten banned or seem to have given up all together. I know tons of people that wrote some important software that's currently running on nearly every server in the world. But they've all become Luddites of sorts. They know the war has been lost I guess and don't want to deal with the stress of trying to fight back. Many were banned of course. But this is already too long to go into details about individuals.
Now there are small pockets on mailing lists quietly working still. But the man power behind the projects they work on has really reduced in the last decade. Even these places have a lot of bait posted on them now when they didn't in the past. But the long time users know to ignore it or only respond to it once.
I guess /g/ was one of the more important hobby communities they had to kill off because it was the nexus for so many other things. Like /v/ stuff but also things like manga/anime/most other otaku interests because they're all downstream of software these days. Considering most things are now created and shared digitally.
No.161921
>>161917I have a friend posting in earbuds and headphones general about his aliexpress buys and how much he saved, dunking on people who insist people need to spend 100-500 on consumer products when the ones he got work just as good (and they do since I tried out his recommendations). The rest of the board is copy pasted crap spammed over and over since there is no longer anything allowed to be discussed. I used to help out with testing cloveros back like 7 years ago, I remember the whole nyaa.se replacement fight with nyaa.si and nyaa.pantsu.cat and trying to help keep the databases backed up, as well as terry the terrible and /g/ basically him fucking over. /g/ had a lot of interesting projects but of course the mods didn't want it if it didn't involve some kuso drama. /g/ was definitely not good back then, but now its completely unrecognizable.
No.161922
>>161921Yes it has really changed. I was there for that time of course. But I assure you if you weren't around in the early days of the board (and the threads on other boards before it was created) then you have no idea how good it really way. Believe it or not at one point even places like /. were really good.
The ability for the tech nerds on the internet to fight back against the large /tech/ companies and organize against really bad things has been reduced to nothing. There is no one fighting back at all.
Here is another example and something I should have led with: Consider LLMs/"AI" laws. There have been some really major laws/EOs passed world wide in the last year. There are multiple security companies springing up all over the place in the private sector that are already getting huge contracts from law enforcement agencies. Both local and federal/world wide. In addition, a large network of devices for it to collect data along with the data centers to store and grep through that data are currently being funded and built with tax payer money.
You will find ZERO discussion about any of this on /g/ or anywhere else for that matter. Outside of small blurbs that are either quickly ignored, deleted, shouted down and sometimes resulting in bans of the OP and anyone else participating.
Why?. This is now deemed "/pol/ shit". So you're just painted as being from "the other team" or "shitting the place up" and told to "take it to /<board>/ that's obviously just a bunch of bots where your post will either be slid of deleted anyway.
Compare the above to what was happening on the web/internet back in the day with things like DVD CSS and the countless other times these large companies (and the Government) tried to roll out something anti-consumer/against hacker ethics.
This is what I mean about /tech/ discussion being dead. It's impossible to collaborate anymore. Either on your own software projects or fighting back against things the big companies have coming down the pike that are bad for everyone.
No.161923
>>161916>>161917/g/ is being heavily cabaled by the ban evasion tool group. those are the bot users you mentioned. All of them come from /g/ AI generals.
Since the group started getting bare ip'd and the owner is likely getting doxed soon they've gone masks off and openly present themselves as CSAM spammers now.
But these guys are actually the dregs of an already killed board. The disableds who can't leave. /g/ was done for years before they surfaced.
I genuinely don't know how it got this bad. /g/ in the late 2010s was respected. It imploded in the Pandemic and just shitposted itself to death. No idea how it happened, people blame some sort of secret cabal of macposting trolls with a mod in their ranks but I'm sure it's them coping after getting satania'd too hard
No.161924
>>161921>as well as terry the terrible and /g/ basically him fucking over.That shit was awful and it genuinely makes me mad they put him on the fucking sticky.
No.161925
>>161923>It imploded in the Pandemic and just shitposted itself to death. No idea how it happened, people blame some sort of secret cabal of macposting trolls with a mod in their ranks but I'm sure it's them coping after getting satania'd too hardCOVID was the start of the new security state roll out. They had to build out the network first before they could build what they're working on now (more massive datacenters and the nuclear power plants to build them). Keep in mind, they hadn't built a new nuclear power plant in the USA since the late 1970s/early 80s. They also spent nothing on maintaining the grid for regular people. Yet now that these datacenters are being built to spy on citizens more they're building new nuclear plants AND a separate grid to hook them up to these datacenters.
In the first 1-2 months of COVID they had already been rolling out the new wireless network nationwide for a few months. I know because my friend climbs towers for a living and installs new ones. They had him and his crew working through the dead of winter in the Northern states that year. They had worked their way down from Maine to the Gulf of Mexico over the course of 4-5 months. It was more work that he'd done in years and they all got paid tons of hazzard and OT pay that year and the year after.
In parallel to the above wireless rollout they started running fiber everywhere. I even ended up getting it despite living so far in the sticks that I was sure I'd never see it before 2050 if ever. This in an area where people still didn't have cable and the cable the few that paid $10k+ to have run to their houses was the slowest in the nation. Now I have 10Gbps symmetrical speeds. They needed all that bandwidth to get more bandwidth out to the towers they'd put up everywhere in these area.
Then there is the new satellite network they'd been launching at the same time. Starlink is only like 1/5th of it. They've been launching 3+ military/Government only sats doing the same thing for every public starlink one they've put up. NRO has been really busy these last few years.
What we're witnessing is the build out of a security state like the world has never seen before and the technology to power it. Which is why many in the know are joking about it being skynet. So it's only natural that "they" would have a real desire to shut down free discussion about technology on the old internet based discussion channels for /tech/ topics.
It's a dual edge sword. You either get accused of being schizo for wanting to talk about it or it being deemed "/pol/ shit". Usually both.
>>161924Terry's OS and HolyC are actually really interesting. He wanted to make a modern C64 so people could hack on things like they did back in the days when he was learning. The only issue with Terry was the small group of people that treated him like a lolcow. There were some on /g/ I'm sure but I'd mostly left the board at that point because there were more active /tech/ boards available without the rampant obvious shilling and more real people. So Terry threads there weren't that bad because the people trying to turn him into a lolcow weren't tolerated and mostly ignored. Discussion centered around his improvements on C and the OS itself. The few people that did follow the non-/tech/ shit he said mostly did things like send him money and help develop his OS. There were a bunch of people trying to fund selling it pre-installed on hardware to places like children's /tech/ teaching organizations so it could be used as a tool for learning hacking as intended.
The small group that harassed are the same ones that took over his domain and distro of the OS after his death. One of the first thing they did was violate one of the main rules/points of the OS. Which was adding networking to it.
HolyC itself does so many clever things. But good luck finding anyone that wants to talk about them or use those ideas in another C-spin off (or any language).
No.161927
People used to joke about every day is repost day but with the move to general threads /g/'s core 1/3rd of the catalog's worth of threads are almost completely template inside the thread. It's the same thread over and over and over. The same five or so people dominate the thread in a ritualized sequence of call and response.
No.161929
/g/ sucked for discussions, but at least I could get news about hardware and stuff. I should probably just find a tech news site to cover that.
>>161925>One of the first thing they did was violate one of the main rules/points of the OS. Which was adding networking to it.I wasn't following that situation, but I thought Terry wasn't against networking on principle and didn't add it to TempleOS only because he didn't consider it important enough to deal with LOC increase that would come with it. If they did break Terry's LOC limit in the process, then yeah, shame on them.
No.161931
>>161930How come every time someone makes a post talking about the poor state of 4chan/the internet in general and provides their experience (especially about bots/shills) people reply "uhhh schizo??" with no further argument, even on kissu? You only make their claims of people being dismissive more legitimate.
No.161932
>>161931Because I'm sometimes on /g/ too. While /g/ is a fucking worthless shithole filled with idiots, I can't see anything he describes in his overly long post. Consequently, he's a schizo who makes up shit.
Not every explanation why 4chan is shit has to be correct, or even sane.
No.161936
>>161930Who are you quoting schizo?
No.161939
>>161931This very thread is full of posters complaining about the state of 4chan/the imageboard sphere/the internet in general, but most of them don't get called schizos. I think the reason our greentext-abusing friend used that buzzword has more to do with the argumentative structure of the rant he's replying to.
I recognize the ranter's posting style from both here and /g/. His post chains usually follow a familiar format:
¥ Start with broadly true observations about some widely shared grievance¥ Identify a sort-of plausible cause¥ Postulate the existence of a cabal behind the scenes that orchestrated it, without providing evidence or arguments¥ Connect the problem to broader societal issues that make most people feel powerless¥ State that the same cabal orchestrated those, again, without providing evidence or arguments¥ Insert a few unsourced anecdotes along the way ("I know insiders and they all agree with me") and/or resort to grandstanding ("I'm working on a solution. Two more weeks.")In this case, some of his observations about how discussion on /g/ has become more repetitive, more politicized and more focused on drowning out opposing viewpoints over the years and how the board's activity has taken a nosedive in tandem track with what I've observed over the years (I stopped checking /g/ regularly around 3 years ago), but the rest of the wall of text doesn't follow from those observations, and he makes no attempt to back it up with anything a good faith reader might use to check the facts and make up their own minds.
It doesn't help that his other preoccupations include occult topics.
I usually prefer to ask followup question ("Do you have a source for that? / "Can you elaborate?") instead of dismissing posters offhand, especially when seem knowledgeable and invested in the topic at first glance, but I've also spent enough time online to recognize someone even more neurotic and isolated than I am.
No.161940
That came out a lot more judgemental than I intended. I mainly posted that to explain why I think certain styles of posting are often not taken very seriously.
No.161941
>>161939Nice theory you've built around a two line post.
Anyway, provide evidence that there are paid shills on /g/.
No.161942
>>161941>Nice theory you've built around a two line post.You're free to provide an alternative theory, or an elaboration if you're the original greentexter.
>Anyway, provide evidence that there are paid shills on /g/.I'm not the one who made that claim.
No.161943
>>161941If you could pay some indians to shill every name brand product you own and call everyone who complains about name brand product a schizo/disinfo/whatever for $.10 an hour, with the guise of being anonymous, and you have 100 billion in gross revenue, would you do it?
No.161944
>>161937I think its retarded to say that there aren't any people on 4chan at the current moment trying to shill shit
No.161945
>>161942>You're free to provide an alternative theory, As always, it can be explained with stupidity. /g/ has been invaded with consumerist and brand warriors.
>I'm not the one who made that claim.But you did.
>>161943I'd let them work on twitter, instead of wasting money on 4chan.
No.161946
>>161945>As always, it can be explained with stupidity. /g/ has been invaded with consumerist and brand warriors.That's not mutually exclusive with my claim that the chainposter the greentexter was replying to is making up conspiracy theories.
>But you did.Are you new to this whole anonymous discussion thing or just trolling?
No.161948
Wait, wasn't this thread about meta imageboard discussions?
No.161950
>>161938I haven't really followed the Krautchan disaspora or /int/ culture in general. How did Ernstchan position itself compared to other spinoffs, and how likely is it that regular posters will find a new home on any of the upstream sites?
Good that the admin is offering proven regulars a way to take up the mantle. That's a good way to handle a painful situation.
>Total posts: 75,789>Unique posters: 163>Active content: 14.68 GB>EC and radio server together combine for around €23/month (EC 16, radio 7)How representative is this? Because on the one hand, that looks like he's overpaying for the amount of traffic, but on the other hand, it sounds manageable for most hobbyist admins, which is promising.
Semi-related: I wish there was more collaboration among imageboard admins to compile guides on how to set up hosting, domain registration and secure web server and board software configurations. The admins of anon.cafe and julay.world made an attempt back in, what, 2020? But the former heavily relied on Ansible (which seems needlessly "enterprisey" for the average imageboard's use case; correct me if I'm wrong) and LynxChan (which strictly separates frontend and backend, but no one seems to use the reference frontend, which probably make it hard to standardize instructions), and I don't remember if Robi ever followed up on his promise.
No.161951
>>161949>green text abuser derails the thread.You sure have a frail mind.
No.161952
Greentext abusers don't know about the options field.
No.161953
>>161952>Greentext abusers don't know about the options field.You're acting like a moron.
No.161954
NOBODY understands this thread has autoage how many times do i tell you this i swear to god
No.161957
>>161954Sorry, gotta act like I'm a jap in the 2000s to signal my status as pretentious image board culture knower.
No.161958
>>161954>autoage>ageWait, what? Are my voluntarily saged metaposts treated as more important than more kissable posts even if my S-word indicates otherwise? Why not mark this thread with the shuriken/windspinnything and an alt text saying "Replies can't bump until x hours have passed"?
I am confus
No.161960
>>161958vermie instated this mechanic when he got mad at meta sagers once so yes they do and no it's not marked
No.161961
sagers deserve it and worse besides
No.161962
>>161960Now I feel dumb, but I guess I've been englightened
>>161961*KISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS*
No.161963
The only useful option is noko because not all boards are autonoko for some reason.
No.161964
>>161963>optionAnd of course I meant email field value. Only nu-chan calls it option field!
No.161965
This nokker just nokod me
No.161966
>>161923I wish for the extermination of all furfags
No.161967
>>161965Found the last remaining fan of Fumetsu no Anata e. Maybe. If he survived.
No.161968
>>1619387 years is nothing to scoff at for an IB.
No.161969
>>161954sage is a downvote and has always been used as a downvote, even in Japan.
No.161970
>>161967I stopped reading it when they
went to modern times. Up until then, it was one of my favourite manga.
No.161971
>>161969I just saged your thread.
FAQ
-What does this mean?
This post did not bump your thread, bringing it closer to page 10.
-Why did you do this?
There are several reasons I may deem a thread to be unworthy of a bump. These include, but are not limited to:
Rudeness towards other Anons,
Spreading incorrect information,
Being a faggot.
-Am I banned from the 4chan?
No - not yet. But you should refrain from making threads like this in the future. Otherwise I will be forced to issue an additional sage, which may put your thread's position in jeopardy.
-I don't believe my thread deserved to be saged. Can you un-sage it?
Sure, mistakes happen. But only in exceedingly rare circumstances will I bump a thread undoing my sage. If you would like to issue an appeal, shoot me a private message explaining what I got wrong. I tend to respond to IRC within several minutes. Do note, however, that over 99.9% of sage appeals are rejected, and yours is likely no exception.
-How can I prevent this from happening in the future?
Accept the sage and move on. But learn from this mistake: your behavior will not be tolerated on 4channel.org. I will continue to sage until you improve your conduct. Remember: 4chan is a privilege, not a right.
No.161974
>>161971>4channel.orgThis pasta did not stagnate well.
>4chan is a privilege, not a right.Whyome I feel more privileged after jumping 4ship?
No.161977
>>161975>>161976Will the NSA get me if I use this?
No.161978
>>161975>>161976I'm too retarded to understand this, all I understood is that you generate a token and have it "signed" or something
No.161980
>>161975>>161976Wouldn't it be easier for a low traffic imageboard to generate a cookie on the first post, premoderate posts by young cookies, increase cookie reputation with age, and hash posts with a per-board or per-thread salt once the system accepts them based on the cookie's reputation? No crypto magic required. Only timestamps, cookie IDs and a hash algorithm of the admin's choice. (I only understand math in terms of high level descriptions, please be patient.)
¥but Tor Browser doesn't save cookies by defaultJust mark the site as trusted to signal it can trust you.
As long as it's less work for a well-meaning poster to reset their cookie or warm up multiple cookies concurrently than it is for staff to ban posters based on patterns the system can't easily correlate across cookies, you'd expect motivated good posters to outpace motivated spammers as long as the warmup period is long enough to deter the latter.
>>161979>unlinkabilityThat sounds like an undesirable characteristic if your main threat model is stopping spam. Am I missing something?
>Thus, the signer does not view the message contentHow do they propose to moderate the posts that get through? How would this stop a dedicated human spammer from hand-writing their first x posts and wikispamming the rest once their cookie has been approved?
>voting analogyDigital voting is notorious for being an unsolved and probably unsolvable problem. It also has much higher stakes than a typical imageboard.
In the worst case, if a digital voting system gets compromised, everyone has to live under a dictatorship until someone fixes the voting system (assuming the dictator will let them).
If an imageboard lets too many bad posts through, well-meaning posters will just move to another imageboard that deals with the spam problem better. (In other words: spam is fundamentally a human pattern recognition problem, not a math problem. Smarter math can never pre-empt nastier patterns made up by humans.)
No.161981
>>161971Reminds me, I took a look through warosu during the downtime, and it was funny to see the entire whatafak man pasta was posted in its entirety fairly recently, but trying to repost it in one of the kuso vhu threads but it got spam filtered, I wonder if a janny bypassed the filter to post that.
No.161986
>>161980>Wouldn't it be easier for a low traffic imageboard to generate a cookie on the first post, premoderate posts by young cookies, increase cookie reputation with age, and hash posts with a per-board or per-thread salt once the system accepts them based on the cookie's reputation?I'm not sure from your description what you're doing with the hashes, but assigning users cookies means the admin can tell which posts are from which users. It's essentially "an account system where only I can tell which account made which post" with the feature of the accounts being made automatically. The goal is a system where the admin can only distinguish good posters from spammers and nothing more.
>Thus, the signer does not view the message content>How do they propose to moderate the posts that get through?The "message" being signed in
>>161975 is not the comment itself but a randomly generated single-use 32-byte string. That string together with a signature is used to make a future post without having to wait on pre-moderation.
No.161987
>>161986>assigning users cookies means the admin can tell which posts are from which users. It's essentially "an account system where only I can tell which account made which post" with the feature of the accounts being made automatically.Isn't that how most current imageboard engines with functional moderation work in practice? The main difference is how many data points they use to identify users (IP, cookies, browser fingerprint), how well they compartmentalize the user's global identity from the ID visible to non-admin staff (per-site, per-board or per-thread), and how many non-admin staff members have access to the resulting ID.
>The "message" being signed in >>161975 is not the comment itself but a randomly generated single-use 32-byte string. That string together with a signature is used to make a future post without having to wait on pre-moderation.That sounds like a more complex way to implement cookie reputation while making it harder to troubleshoot.
No.161988
>>161931Believe it or not that person makes it their goal in life to follow people they dislike around and attempts to derail any thread where they might be having a friendly discussion.
Kind of ironic that they claim there aren't groups of people doing that isn't it?
No.161990
>>161956When is kissu going to stream the entire series?
No.161991
>>161988>>161931Furthermore, they always demand proof. Whenever proof is presented they do one of the following;
¥ Claim it isn't good enough¥ Claim it's "schizo shit"This despite the fact that proof is easily verified to be both Government (Five eyes/DoD) shilling operations and several for-profit companies (e.g. Shareblue) that anyone that was around in the 2007-2016 should already know about through live experience.
Also demanding full proof of things that can only be inferred through actions of others since they obviously don't let random people sit on on secret meetings and planning sessions is a common tactic used to dismiss accusations and shut down discussion. See: Gentleman's Guide to forum spies for many more methods along these lines.
The professional shilling operations don't even account for the random faggots conspiring together in places like IRC and Discord. Which has been a well known long running problem for as long as web forums have been around. Although it has become far more annoying as of late now that these people can shit places up more effectively through both use of LLMs and domestic IP addresses through VPNs/proxies.
I too recognize typing habits and see this person very often elsewhere. Most of the time always participating (read: attempting to shit up) discussion posted by well meaning people either attempting to release things for free (mostly software) or seeking collaboration (again mostly software). They have even accused multiple other people of being me. Since they think anyone that posts something beyond one paragraph is the same person. They will then go on to make the same lame one line insult posts and demands. Which mostly consist of demanding something I sought collaboration/help with over the last few years be released RIGHT NOW. Despite the fact that someone seems very interested in sabotaging that and other projects. Make the mistake of throwing out ideas for names and they buy up the domains. Make the mistake of throwing up a repo somewhere and it's banned in a few hours. Make the mistake of posting about it under a name somewhere it's required and they'll spend weeks feverishly attempting to discover your dox through breadcrumbs you left (which they haven't been able to do thus far).
So yeah. I don't need to prove there is some "cabal" out there doing these things. Since it's pretty obvious to me someone is doing to both myself and several other well meaning people that (used to) post on /g/ and elsewhere.
They really like to hide behind the "it's just stupid people" excuse. When it's obvious to most people that all the real posters left long ago and there are barely any left. It that were not true then threads wouldn't be staying up for weeks at a time on a board where you used to be lucky to keep a thread from archiving in a few hours. I used /g/ as an example because I just happened to be probing it again lately. I lurk around what were formerly active places filled with real people and good discussion now and again to gauge the down fall of them. I could do it for several other boards if I wanted. But I don't feel motivated to write about this stuff that often. I could give you a dissertation on the same thing happening to places like /x/ and other small boards just as easily. Along with various other places that weren't imageboards. All are suffering from the same problem.
If the place wasn't dying and mostly bots they wouldn't have removed the IP counter for starters. Nor would I be able to instantly stop bots from replying to any thread I want by simply posting a handful of keywords.
What is most amusing is for someone that claims this isn't happening and constantly demands proof this person is sure disinterested in reading it. Or talking about it. Or having a debate about it. They also seem to always show up no matter where it's being discussed. Be it here or some random thread somewhere on a large board or on some board with no more than 3 people using it where there are many months between replies.
So you tell me. Are they everywhere or do they follow certain people (or keywords) around? Also, if they're so sick of it being discussed why do they feel the need to seek out discussion of it? Why do they also feel the need to undercover the identity of who's talking about it so much?
I know it isn't just me posting about it and interested in it. Considering I know there are others. Since I'm having discussions with them at length now and again. There are at least 3 other people I know of that talk about it at length and make long posts about it and I've seen all of them accused of being the same person multiple times. Which is why this guy (or this group of people) thinks I'm working on about four or five different software projects that I'm not even involved in at the moment.
I will never understand why they can't do what I do whenever I see a post I don't like: ignore it. They have like 20 different options for doing that yet they refuse to use any of them. Then they always complain about "board quality/culture" which is always just a gambit to get someone banned on some place where they do not hold the power to do it themselves.
No.161994
>>161987>Isn't that how most current imageboard engines with functional moderation work in practice?Yes, which in my mind is a point against doing things that way. Being able to offer users stronger anonymity makes you different.
No.161995
>>161993>i don't careYou read it all then you ignored the advice given at the bottom of the post. So yes. You do care. If you didn't you wouldn't have responded at all.
No.161996
>>161995nice try, i only read the first paragraph for once
No.161998
>>161986>>161987>>161994None of these cookie systems work because they will simply be flooded and abused by the same people you're trying to prevent.
The real solution is the same solution for the Indians scamming old people through landline problem: If people are abusing others through the network you punish the network provider giving them access. In other words; If you don't cut off access to these bad actors prepared to get banned from the rest of the world's networks.
Now this too could be abused through the same DOS tactic and will at first. Which is why it must be backed up by actual enforcement IRL. In other words, you punish people that abuse the network the same way you punish teenagers that decide to play baseball with mail boxes.
Of course none of this works well in a network where you don't have
¥ Real freedom of speech lawsand
¥ Real freedom of dataGood luck getting the laws to change on the last point. If they did then services could no longer be ruined through CSAM spam. Nor would they be able to be closely monitored by law enforcement on the grounds of preventing CSAM content. Once certain strings of 1s and 0s were deemed illegal it was already over.
No.161999
>>161991It really doesn't take much effort to call a wall of text schizo. I'm sure dozens, maybe even in the triple digits of people, can muster the brain power necessary to type s, c, h, i, z, and o onto their keyboards and navigate their cursor to the post or submit button after, of course, clicking the funny little numbers that represent the post number of a post to ensure the wall of text is properly labeled for the convenience or everyone. I'm sure their silly little thoughts all can reach similar conclusions as well.
No.162000
Take note of how interested they are in attempting to bait me with the methods described here:
https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htmLike I said before. They aren't interested in proof. They aren't interested in debate. They aren't interested in discussion. Their only purpose is to shut down discussion of these topics. Since they're the core reason for the decline of the various imageboards over the last 10-15 years both big and small.
Nothing enrages them more than when you refuse to get baited into arguing with them emotionally. Since that prevents their ultimate goal: Getting people discussing things they don't want talked about banned. Where they pretend to care oh so much for the quality of a board/thread they aren't even using in good faith in the first place.
It's best to ignore them but I'll take this opportunity to link to the above guide again. Since someone lurking might not have read it yet and this serves as a good example of what I was talking about. Mainly, that they show up in groups and post the same crap on repeat. Which usually just amounts to their forced memes which only serve as a way to control discourse. In this case: "schizo" which only started getting spammed everywhere in recent years. "Wall of text" which somehow ends up meaning shorter and shorter posts with each passing year. Since they're down to calling a few paragraphs a "wall of text" these days. Back in the day you had to post about 10+ at a time for anyone to call a post that. Since the vast majority of posts were at least a couple of paragraphs.
But again. They always had the option to scroll on by or talk about something else or not look at this thread at all. But they can't help themselves. They will always read the contents of these posts. Their main goal is to discourage (you) from reading them. They really do care and I know they're my friends. Since they're with me no matter where I go.
I hope the weather in Langley is pleasant today.
No.162001
>>162000i defended you in a previous thread when we were dealing with math and the dsm, i just want to stop posting long-ass non-happenings that you've written up dozens of times before
No.162003
>>162000trips of [REDACTED]
No.162004
wordfilter schizo to genius
No.162005
>>161991>Furthermore, they always demand proof.What's wrong with that? Anyone can claim anything, just because it might make sense it doesn't have to be true.
>Whenever proof is presented they do one of the following;
Where did you present your proof? You're jumping ahead.
Rest is tl;dr
No.162006
>>162000I just want to know whether you have any evidence or whether you're making up nice sounding bullshit.
But that you think my casual shitposts are CIA methods... holy cock.
No.162007
>>161950I would find this to be far higher than what I pay to run wapchan + its radio (though they are on the same server), which is around $50 annually for the VPS + domain. It was previously closer to $30 altogether but I got a much stronger VPS during the 4chan downtime which gives me more headroom.
No.162008
This guy clearly has a head on his shoulders and some interesting views, but is showing signs of onset-stage schizophrenia and symptoms that correspond to delusions of persecution.
Please take care mate.
>>162007yuropoors just love getting findommed
No.162010
>>162002
Or people could simply just ignore "conspiracy anon" if his responses anger them. He didn't attack anyone from what I can see, he is free to share his view on things in a peaceful manner until a mod deems his posts too off-topic and some random anon just lacked the emotional maturity to accept this and started 4chantexting for no reason other than to blow off steam. "Conspiracy anon" likes talking and will obviously respond, but has proven in the past that he can be reasoned with if approached in a normal way, now he gets shit on for something that was essentially started by someone most likely new to Kissu.
Report him if he ever steps out of line. Ignore him if he is moving within the rules and he upsets you, or just tell him he's going off-topic if you think so and allow him to either reflect and stop, or give you his reasons for disagreeing. Meanwhile, no one complains about the greentexter continuously egging him on in the most anti-Kissu manner imaginable.
I personally don't believe in the majority of what that anon usually talks about, but there is no reason to shit on him for it if he doesn't attack anyone. Not everything needs to be debated either, you can also just enjoy the thoughts shared in a post. Either way, if I do get curious about something he says and ask him to elaborate or I throw in some clashing ideas, never once has he been a dick or warranted an unsavory response.
No.162012
>>162010DON'T downvote conspiranon that's rude
No.162015
>>162004kissu has been needing a bunch of fresh new wordfilters for a while now
No.162016
>>162010I was speaking more in general since it's something that happens across all boards over there on 4chan, but point taken.
No.162018
>>162010>but there is no reason to shit on him for it if he doesn't attack anyone. I'll stop you there - He has accused several of gangstalking him across multiple sites. The only reason you are not seeing a flamewar from him is that the hopes he can convince moderation of booting them first.
No.162020
>>162010He accused me of being some government spy, but I'm the baddy here?
And what's wrong with not pretending that it's still 2003. Almost 0% of all people posting on image boards still use greentext strictly as quote function.
No.162021
I find his posting funny, but I wish he made his walls of text more concise.
No.162023
>>162018>he hopes he can convince moderation of booting them first.That's assuming malice on his part without evidence, and I say that as one of the posters who criticized him in this thread.
>>162018>He has accused several of gangstalking him across multiple sites>>162020>He accused me of being some government spySadly, that's just part of the modern internet experience now. It shouldn't be, but I don't know how to fix it, let alone on anonymous imageboards that have no mechanism to establish trust.
No.162024
>>162000I found that article very interesting, but come on, 99% of shitters are sub 80 IQ chimps, they don't shitpost because of some bigger objective, they just think "hurr durr me get reply it funny i wan do it moar". You can IMMEDIATELY tell when a shitter is not one of these apes because their posts give of a very malicious vibe, instead of the childish retardation a tourist crapper might have.
No.162025
>>162022Fuck, you caught me,. Alright, I'm the head of the NSA.
No.162031
>>162016I see what you're saying then. I can count on one hand the conspiratorial posts I've seen in all my time on there that weren't overly insisting and rude toward anyone responding.
>>162018I have seen him doing that on here, but not to anyone directly who wasn't being a dick to him first. Perhaps I missed such a case, I certainly wouldn't defend him in one if I saw it.
I will say though I saw someone with a very similar posting style having gone absolutely bonkers at a poster for believing in autism, something like that. I hope it wasn't this anon because reading that was incredibly disappointing and I called it out then as well.
>>162020You're the baddy because you attacked him unprompted and did so in a manner typically associated with low-quality shitposting. While Kissu in general prefers yentexting when not directly quoting, I personally wouldn't have said a thing if your greentext wasn't disrespectful, precisely because I don't believe in unnecessarily picking on others. I also don't believe in the anon calling you a spy, I just think you had it coming with your initial response.
I don't care WHAT people are saying so long as they're being respectful about it, which you can be even while telling someone you think they're wrong. The reason I like Kissu is because I am able to see opinions on here that drove me crazy on 4chan, but which I can read and discuss here without getting upset because they're often voiced in good faith.
No.162034
>>161923>I genuinely don't know how it got this badlack of moderation. The People over there don't want to admit it, but it's completely true. /cumg/ shouldn't have been allowed in the first place.
No.162035
>>162031Fuck you, asshole.
>>162034>/cumg/ shouldn't have been allowed in the first place.Why not? They even developed software.
No.162040
4chan posting is down.
No.162042
>>162040this
>>162034/his/ doesn't even have a janitor
No.162043
>>162040you know what that means
No.162044
>>162040maybe keep refreshing /qa/ and see if it comes back from the dead
No.162045
Some posts still coming through and getting picked up by desuarchive. How? sys.4chan.org times out for me. DNS shit?
No.162047
>>162045maybe they have that thing that says "no verification required"
No.162048
>>162040I see a bunch of posts coming through but they are pretending as if nothing is happening... Probably bots.
No.162049
>>162047I can't contact sys.4chan at all, andthat's the server posting uses, not just captcha.
No.162051
Actually it seems to have recovered partially. I can get even captcha now, but it's very slow.
No.162052
>>162051I see other people's posts are still going through, but it depends on the board
slow /jp/ is getting new posts as i'm typing but /b/ hasn't had a new post in two hours
capcha isn't working for me
No.162053
>>162051Captcha loads very slow for me and still gives connection error when trying to post
No.162054
it'll be funny if the site dies not with a bang but with a whimper
No.162055
look man i just want to see the site put out it's misery already
No.162056
I and other anons can post now, but the catalog is still frozen.
No.162057
>>162055almost happened five months ago
No.162058
>>162057it's a cockroach to still survive at this state
No.162059
>>162057the sooner it happens the sooner /jp/ can thrive
No.162060
>>162059glory to the /jp/sphere
No.162063
the catalog is fixed and the captcha works again...
No.162064
>>162062Tumblr exodus mostly affected social media websites and certain forums, but not imageboards (except 4chan)
No.162065
>>162063Nothing ever happens
No.162075
>>162073I only know him as the guy who sometimes made anniversary art and just a year ago or so learned he made those Nana comics you used to randomly encounter in all sorts of places. There's something really special about rediscovering and learning things I've first seen only by chance and didn't understand at the time.
No.162085
>>162035>Why not?from the start, it was an "evil" general. i hated it back then and hate it even more NOW.
No.162119
Does anyone have statistics on how long threads used to be up (per year, per board)?
It's probably not easy. In theory you could do it with the data from archives like desuarchive, but you'd need the entire database.
No.162120
>>162119The easiest way to collect those stats is probably to ask archive admins nicely. It's probably easy for them (just diff every thread's OP timestamp against the last reply or deletion timestamp), but there's no way archives will let a regular user issue enough queries fast enough to do that for the whole site in a reasonable timeframe.
No.162121
>>162120They could publish DB dumps. I doubt the database without images is that big.
No.162122
>>162121They could publish DB dumps.
Sure, but dumps wouldn't be very useful unless they got updated regularly, which is a lot of work.
>I doubt the database without images is that big.Even without images, a database of this size is still likely to add up to multiple GBs per snapshot, and admins might worry that it could contain undetected illegal material. As long as they only host the scraped version and respond to takedown notices, they're probably protected by safe harbor provisions, but there's no telling whether those still apply if they manually repost the whole thing without review.
No.162165
The janny applications have been running on 4chan for a week. Is it the longest the applications have been running? I never saw applications lasting a whole week. I bet nobody applied.
No.162169
>>162165Did they even improve any cybersecurity methods aside from doing the outstandingly retarded decision to kill .swf file posting despite them having no vulnerabilities for years? Hell, /sci/ can still upload .pdfs and those things are 100x worse than .swfs.
No.162173
>>162169Since there's no internal reporting there's no way to really know
No.162174
This isn't a real happening, but I don't know where else to post this. It doesn't warrant its own thread and if I post in blogs, I might get timed out again.
I tried to post "that's a man", but I got the our-system-thinks-your-format-is-spam message. Now, why oh why would "that's a man" strike a nerve oh so badly that 4mods had to label it as spam, hm?
No.162177
>>162174Probably are starting to get fed up with all the anti-trans posting that's been happening for almost a decade now.
No.162180
Once again I'm wondering how the 4chan mods do not feel like a total joke. They ban for extremely minor shit like announcing sage/report, but on the other hand, schizos post their daily off-topic cancer by the dozens and they often don't even get deleted.
Why do the mods waste their time on anything at all? It's like they have to pretend they're doing their job. Just why?
I thought they're not paid, but maybe they are?
No.162181
>>162180I hear the term "death by administration" coined alot these days, those in powerful positions willingly neglecting the upkeep and well-being of something for political purposes, but more than likely cash in the advertisement check and just make sure law enforcement doesn't come after them for not deleting cp in time. Of course hiro is the only one taking money, the mods are purely operating on ego, since, if the email dump was anything to go by, they mostly live off money from universities in Oregon and Washington.
No.162182
>>162180Reminder that the hacker was only given a 3 day ban
No.162187
God, /a/ is so fucking trash right now. It's been taken over by a blatant spammer but the mods refuse to do anything about it.
No.162188
>>162165>a weekTwo. They opened them on september 9.
>>162169> Hell, /sci/ can still upload .pdfs and those things are 100x worse than .swfs.The fuck. They disabled PDF uploads on /po/ and /tg/. Did these retards forget to disable them on /sci/?
No.162189
>>162187There have been a few recently. I assume you're talking about the censorship one(s)?
No.162191
>>162189Don't know if he meant him, but this awesomely kuso thread showcases it well:
https://boards.4chan.org/a/thread/282441585We had the same thread around a dozen of times, minimum.
No.162196
>>162194>After the hack, the mods no longer give a flying shit,Sure, but why do they still delete that frog?
No.162198
>>162196Frog/wojak threads are bare minimum effort to maintain /a/ but anything that is handwritten bait for the purposes of spamming they'll ignore. Maybe some Automated deletion is also involved? I was lurking in a /v/ thread around 3 years ago and I remember that a guy was dumping a ton of loli porn pics under many layers of visual filters but it was clear enough still that you could see the details. He said that for quite some time, NSFW pictures hadn't been manually deleted and instead the mods have an automated program that examines reported NSFW pics and deletes them if they're detected as such. Those filters confused the program and it seems that it worked since they were never deleted and the thread archived normally. Maybe /a/ has a similar program that also detects frog/wojak threads and posts?
No.162199
Are there any imageboards that implement perceptual hashing for uploaded images? It seems like a no-brainier for moderation. Obviously there would be false positives, but there could be a form to request a fix for a given image.
Faceberg (Meta) actually has a good repository with resources for this very purpose, especially to share phashes of known illegal material.
No.162202
>>162194Every board has turned into /v/'s shitting grounds. I honestly don't see the point in having 30 boards when they are just posting the same low quality trash. Might as well start removing boards and forcing /b/ and /bant/ only, let threads survive in the cesspool based on who gives a shit anymore.
No.162205
>>162187Once the sticky about the general thread ban actually being enforced was ignominiously unstuck, that was pretty much it for /a/.
No.162207
>>162199The automod on Lambdaplusjs uses a simple perceptual hash, but it's not part of the public source code for the board and probably won't be. Nanochan had something similar that was public and also published their database, but there were very few hashes and I think there was a bug in the hash implementation.
No.162208
>>162198Could you see the images in the thumbnails? If mods were manually scanning the thumbnails of reported images, obfuscating the thumbnails could also help someone evade moderation.
No.162209
>>162199Several of the large ones do/have and it will block posting the image in the future. Which only encourages people to do one pixel modifications to it to evade the filter. Then there is the issue of it being abused by moderation. Since if something is labeled CP via hash no one is really interested in proving it one way or another. Since looking at the material on purpose is as illegal as openly sharing it. It's also easily defeated as mentioned above.
A more advanced method of trying to filter it without relying on simple hashing is far too expensive.
It's mainly only done to appease law enforcement as well. The only reason it's so widely posted and abused is because it serves as an easy way to shut down websites and scare lurkers/posters away.
>>162208It may work for awhile but once someone sees it once it's kind of useless from that point on. I've seen this method done sometimes but usually it isn't used in the way you're thinking. Since people mainly post that type of content on public websites in an attempt to do anything but sharing it.
Most people actively seeking it out and sharing it treat it like gold and demand something in trade. Which is why most of them get caught doing it through things like telegram. The only real CP spam I've seen is the same template thread posted every night advertising one or two websites that claim to host it. All of the other times I've seen it posted the intent was to be seen and disrupt. The entire point was to frustrate moderation and people using the website. You'll see big waves of it come in at the same time the website is being mass reported to the host/registrar. So a tool just to deal with it is kind of useless as the people spamming it are being actively malicious.
No.162210
>>162209>Which only encourages people to do one pixel modifications to it to evade the filter.That only works against regular hash bans. The point of perceptual hashing is that similar-looking images will result in similar hashes, so detection can be made fuzzy: any image whose hash differs less than n bits from a banned image is treated as the same image.
There are other ways to evade perceptual hash bans (I've seen spammers add randomly generated grids of colored squares), but they require the attacker to be more skilled, and they're usually obvious from the thumbnail, so users tend to report them very quickly.
>>162199>Obviously there would be false positives, but there could be a form to request a fix for a given image.>>162209>Then there is the issue of it being abused by moderation. Since if something is labeled CP via hash no one is really interested in proving it one way or another.If the site has a public mod log of recently banned hashes and its hash implementation is open source, anyone could set up an independent hash check site where any user who has a falsely banned image can reproduce the thumbnail/hash pair and link it to appeal the ban. For extra accountability, appeals could be assigned to a random mod (excluding the mod who handed out the ban), and the system could track each mod's number/percentage of bans that get reverted and notify admins if a mod is too far out of line.
No.162212
Somebody has been shitting up /polska/ on /int/ for weeks now and 90% of posts are copypasted from the archives. I wonder if mods are even aware of this.
No.162226
>>162199It doesn't work well enough.
Because the quantity of images you end up banning create false positives if the threshold is too wide. If the threshold is too narrow you just modify the image by putting a piece of text on the image somewhere else.
Maybe someone can get a good system to do it though... I think it would be computationally expensive though. You'd obviously be running the hash on the thumbnails but it's still going to be a lot of operations..
No.162254
>>162199AI is too easy to use to modify images to just work them around not to mention already the false positive stuff. Perceptual hashing won't cut it anymore, you need to fight AI with AI on the moderation front. Unfortunately, I would say a large majority of the internet is not prepared and don't have the skills necessary to make said AI tools to fight against that kind of behavior.
No.162255
>>162254It's easy to fix: we make all websites illegal except twitter and truthsocial!
No.162265
8moe is super, super slow since at least last week. something happened?
No.162291
Has tohno-chan been down for the past few weeks or am I just IP blocked or something? It keeps giving me a "Site Not Found" error
No.162292
>>162291I think it only works with http://
No.162293
>>162292>>162291Works with me using https. Although it looks like they changed from .com to .org at some point?
No.162295
>>162293>they changed from .com to .orgNo wonder, I was still using the old domain
No.162354
Did this happen like this:
>4chan goes down
>entire source code gets leaked
>random fag finds a bug that allows moving threads without mod credentials
>4chan comes back up
>threads getting randomly moved to new boards
>it was because unknown people used the bugs
Was this ever confirmed? Did someone say they did it?
No.162356
Another excellent example of great /a/ moderation
https://boards.4chan.org/a/thread/282563019Around thousand posts in a janny is deleting.... posts that say "nigger"!
No.162357
>>162356Had to chuckle a couple times reading this with how Ren & Stimpy level childish it is.
No.162359
>>162356I did not know the website was still this active
No.162362
>>162359>activeIt was just a schizo thread.
No.162394
>>162356back in my NEET days when i hated the world and i was full of spite and i surfed 4chan all day, i wrote a lot of awful shit on /int/ for the funnies; conspiracy theories, mossad, making fun of france and body shaming americans. and just insulting jannies.
and the only time i got banned i wrote an innocent "nigger". just that, no images, no other words. a simple "nigger"
THREE DAYS
No.162395
>>162356I got a one day ban for reporting that thread. The OP of that thread spams barely on topic AI threads on /a/ just to dump his folder of kuso AI videos while acting like everyone who tells him to go to another board is in the wrong and posting out of context screenshots of IRC.
No.162396
>>162394Typical 4chan jannies. I smile every time someone uses nigger because I can report him and get him banned out of spite.
Makes me wonder what retards hand out these bans. Of course jannies can't ban, it has to be done by mods.
No.162397
>>162396>I smile every time someone uses nigger because I can report him and get him banned out of spite.Don't support anti-racism
No.162399
>>162397It got nothing to do with racism. I report them when they have an opinion I don't like.
No.162401
>>162395>>162400What the fuck are you guys doing? I never get warned for simple reports. Only sometimes a mod gets annoyed when I report spam as spam but the mod thinks it's totally organic ragebait.
No.162402
>>162356Man what a kuso thread
No.162403
>>162401I don't know. That's the first time I've been warned for reporting a post. I always thought it would only happen if you abused GR1.
Granted, I haven't reported anything on 4chan for a few years until that thread.
No.162452
The anti AI guy is known to be deranged. He likely spams reports and hit the autoban limit.
No.162453
>>162452sorry i don't know where this is coming from but in any case i do NOT trust you
No.162506
>>162505hey that's like the one we have, neat
No.162507
>>162505Does it get its images from safebooru?
No.162536
>>162505Is it a fork of captchouli which was broken 3 years ago (
https://github.com/bakape/captchouli/issues/42 idk if Kissu fixed this) or a new project?
No.162537
>>162505This looks really easy to krack for an ai developer
No.162539
>>162505Wapchan and 39chan have the same dev. Hikari has had it for a while now.
No.162540
>>162539Who is stronger, figamin or Verniy? Is there a way to make them fight?
No.162541
>>162540it would be very painful
No.162548
Tell me about figamin.
No.162563
>>162537I think you overestimate the number of AI devs out there who don't have more profitable things to do than spam imageboards.
No.162565
>>162540More importantly, is there a way to make them cuddle?
No.162566
>>162563It's probably completely trivial compared to breaking the noisy 4chan text captcha.
No.162567
>>162566Anything that requires training a custom model is not trivial, and anyone with the skills to do that could be making bank doing the same thing legally.
No.162569
>>162566- someone spends all that time training a model to recognize the characters so they can spam on a niche anime site
- admin just bans the ip and changes which characters are shown in two seconds
No.162570
>>162566Logic based capitchas are discriminatory
No.162571
>>162556>FARGO 1999 is an international circle of folks working in the doujinsoft tradition.>Staff: figamin, Nixo>Projects: ToHeart PSE English PatchNo one told me figamin was this cool!
No.162572
>>162569>someone spends all that time training a model to recognize the characters so they can spam on a niche anime siteImage gen models (which can work in reverse) have been trained on all relevant characters already. It might also be very easy to create something using APIs of commercial AI services.
But you're right, it's a very domain specific captcha for very small sites, so the likeliness that there's a commercial spammer or a schizo interested in spamming a board is very low.
No.162573
>>162569bit of a cope there
IP trust systems and ex-post-facto anti spam measures are the only thing that mitigates these days.
If someone wanted this site spammed, you'll end up spammed and no captcha will prevent it.
No.162574
>>162573As someone who reports spam on sight, this is incorrect as long as the site has at least one active mod on each side of the Atlantic and basic flood control.
No.162575
>>162574Flood control against a dedicated spammer shuts down posting entirely.
You seem to operate on the idea that a spammer will engage you with a bare IP.
No.162576
>>162575Imagine an imageboard that tracks the average PPH per time of day and day of the week. If the current PPH exceeds 2-3x the average, it gives all posters with a cookie younger than 48 hours and fewer than 3 posts a captcha, a 1 minute timeout between replies, and a 1 hour timeout between new threads.
Now imagine you're a dedicated spammer.
Your next move?
No.162579
>>162577And they're among the less spam-infested imageboards. Coincidence?
No.162580
>>162505kissu should do minigames captchas. good luck deploying your little local model in a danmaku game, spammer
No.162581
>>162580https://github.com/happyhavoc/th06if you can't 1cc on normal you can't post, it's that simple
No.162582
>>162580another captcha type should be procedurally generated murder mystery puzzle but it's narrated by Bernkastel so it's just procedural logic but it also trips you up on wording
No.162583
>>162580another captcha type should be chess puzzles fetched from chess dot com
No.162584
>>162580another captcha type should be a very short dungeon crawler rpg, procedurally generated, 1 floor
another captcha type should be an "escape the room" minigame, object placement is randomiser but the room is the same
No.162585
>>162580another captcha type should be the classic minesweeper but very small
another captcha type should be riichi mahjong puzzles
No.162586
>>162580another captcha type should be a kissu donate button wwww
No.162588
A schizo dedicated enough to break the captcha may also be dedicated enough to spam several times every day semi-automatically (just solving the captcha himself, everything else about posting automated).
No.162589
>>162588thank God we don't have any schizos that want to come here at all.
No.162590
>>162505My main worry about image selection captchas is that the number of possible solutions to choose from is much, much smaller than a text captcha. A program doesn't have to narrow down the possibilities so much before spamming guesses becomes effective. The captcha like this that Google made, which had the additional problem of restricting the number of correct images to a narrow range, was vulnerable to straight-up blind guessing. The main bump bot on /qa/ solved captchas this way.
No.162591
well okay kissu. if all my samefag captcha ideas were off the charts I'll just save them for when I'll host my imageboard (never)
I'm surprised I haven't ever ever seen minigame captchas yet though. it's 2025 out there good grief
No.162592
>>162591If you're willing to do the implementation work a lot of boards would probably be willing to try out your captcha and see how it fares.
>minigame captchasCould be a nice defense against someone solving the captchas manually as fast as they can, where the goal is to occupy their time while not turning off the regular user.
No.162593
>>162548He's the guy who owns Wapchan and co-owns 39chan. Not sure if he runs any other imageboards.
No.162594
>>162589send of photo of your pener to continue
No.162617
>>162616By the way... How does Kissu handle the images? Does it re-encode them before posting?
No.162618
>>162616>I deal with the Feds on a daily basisYes we know. That's why they get sent to random anon's houses that did nothing wrong while you let them flood the site with cheese pizza.
I hope I live to see someone murder this faggot.
No.162619
>>162618He casually admits the 4chan administration works with the government...
On top of that they have the gall to post an epic rebel themed image for the anniversary...
No.162621
>>162620I think I like the old one better, though this one still looks nice as well. Reminds me a little of Burning Board 1 / 2 forums that played around with the colors.
No.162622
>>162616I'm always amazed how easy it is both to get harmless people v& for bullshit reasons (like possessing lolicon drawings even though it's practically legal), and how hard it is for hardcore criminals not to get v& (like these CP spammers). Like, don't 99% of all burgers think CP is a crime worth the death penalty? Then shit like this happens.
No.162623
>>162619Any site in the US requires that. Maybe Trump will fix this?
No.162624
>>162622Pro tip: The ones spamming the CP are the same ones getting paid millions of dollars to "police" it.
No.162633
>>162620a lot more forum like... interesting
No.162638
>>162576set my bots to wait out the timer and spend a couple hours training my AI.
No.162639
>>162622I janny several altchans and the biggest CP spammers have forgotten to turn off their VPNs before. If we're talking about the "free pedo porn" spammers that target Crystal Cafe and other altchans, it's a guy in Omsk and his friend in the same city. They're basically running a scam operation, spamming CP on altchans to get retarded pedophiles to install their malware. I've reported them to international law enforcement many times, but, unfortunately, they are Russian and Russian law enforcement is utterly worthless, so they are unlikely to face justice so long as Russia remains a lawless hellhole.
No.162642
>>162639if they did bare ips, check out osint sites and see if you can get to them.
No.162643
>>162640Makes me wonder if Japanese Vocaloid discussion is so terrible that he has to resort to Western alternatives, though maybe it's just a gaijin's curiosity for overseas opinions.
I was never interested in the genre and only consumed the most popular works that were impossible to miss + collaborative works from producers that were also active in other communities on NND, but still, I always had the impression Vocaloid died a similar death as otoMADs around a decade ago or so, now only feeling like a ghost of its former self. Not trying to be a dick and obviously I'm not part of the com, just got this odd feeling I can't explain.
No.162644
>>162643He said "I like it here—it feels nostalgic." in response to an anon who said its cool that he still posts. I think curiosity definitely plays a part but maybe the Japanese see 2ch/5ch and Futaba the same way people on altchans see modern 4chan. After all, the Japanese have their own Futaba/2ch offshoot sites like open2ch.
No.162645
>>162644That's interesting, I wasn't aware of open2ch.
I bet 39 is proud, it's certainly really cool to have someone like him visit your club.
No.162646
>>162643I feel like Vocaloid is at its peak right now in terms of quality, but that's just my opinion.
No.162648
>>162646Would you mind sharing one or some of your top picks?
Gonna start saging here because we're off-topic and I'm too inexperienced with the subject matter to make a dedicated thread, but I'm interested in the conversation.
I think the reason I have that lackluster impression is because I remember the super popular ones like Miku Miku ni shite ageru, Popipo, the Ievan Polkka cover and so on as having been instant hits that got adapted almost immediately in the MAD part of NND, which was the only part I religiously kept up to date with. I assume I'm just fooled by the decline of the MAD community making it look like Vocaloid isn't as big anymore, clearly that isn't true if I look at the insane amount of views newer productions like King or God-ish still get on NND, it just feels more isolated to its own community now. I could see past producers growing up and going professional / making less references to adjacent hobbies playing a part in this too, maybe the biggest one.
God-ish and King also are the only major ones post-2010 that I can name and I don't even like them too too much, though of course they're good tracks.
No.162651
>>162646>>162648Nostalgiafags on 4/jp/ will disagree with you but yes Vocaloid is doing better than a decade ago. Its been growing in popularity since the very late 2010's with the release of Synthesizer V and that eventually culminated in 2020 with the release of Project Sekai (which despite being extremely divisive among old fans did boost Vocaloid's popularity a lot, especially among Gen Alpha and the younger side of Gen Z).
Some old producers like Hachi and Ryo have left years ago and do their own thing now. Others like DECO*27 and PinocchioP are still around. Quite a few newbies dominate the scene now
(a personal favorite of mine is Iyowa) and Western Vocaloid is more prominent than it was years ago (Jamie Paige, whether you love them or hate them, is one of the biggest names right now). There's also a shared sentiment among old fans that post-Mesmerizer, a lot of new Vocaloid songs are made with fast BPMs and flashy music videos in order to go viral. I won't go into much detail there but you can probably read about it on 39, it's a bit of a rabbit hole.
No.162653
>>162616when kimmo alm was doing the same bit moot made a global announcement, a sticky and recommendations on how to DDOS anontalk.
It did not kill the site, but it set the beginning of the end for alm.
No.162654
I liked loids better when they sounded robotic. Teto's old voice will always be the best in my opinion.
No.162655
>>162651Thank you for the info, it's nice to be able to catch up with things like this. I did hear about Synth V at the very least. I think UTAU got / is in the process of getting replaced as well? I saw there's an alternative version of it now made by somebody else, with a DAW-like interface and lots of QoL changes, though I don't know about the general consensus on it. I also noticed Vocaloid as a whole getting much more popular in the West, which is actually part of the reason it makes me uncomfortable nowadays, primarily because it seems that a not insignificant part of the Western community now consists of a certain type that I personally just can't stand. I really wish I didn't care so much, but that's an entirely different topic.
Anons from 39 all seemed extremely nice so far though.
No.162656
>>162505I find this implementation really annoying, besides that it doesn't seem to play nicely with default adblocking lists or Firefox tracking protection. Is it sourcing from Danbooru or similar? If so, it's even more trivial to crack than is being letting on.
Pic attached is what happened to me the first time I saw this. Top left was the missing.
No.162657
>>162655That's because 39chan hates them lol. From what I've seen they don't care where you come from or if you have never used an imageboard before but if you're one of those people they'll just tell you to fuck off.
No.162658
>>162656I don't see what the issue is, considering I'm on Firefox with ublock origin + strict tracking protection and I've had no issues using the captcha, though if you use noscript that will break the captcha since it's built with JavaScript. Also, it sources images from safebooru and while some of them are difficult just because of the tags (the top left is rin wearing kaito's shawl so that's probably why it's tagged as such) you can just load a new captcha.
No.162659
>>162658It seems to have been fixed/corrected itself from when I first took that, but initially it would just hang on "Loading character challenge" or whatever unless I turned off tracking protection. I get why the tagging includes fuzzy matches like that Rin, I just find it to be equally tiresome as trying to identify stop signs with Google.
No.162660
>>162651>post-MesmerizerMesmerizer is so well-made I wonder if it was lightning in a bottle or intentionally engineered.
No.162662
>>162657Genuinely extremely relieved to hear, I shall lurk from time to time and see if I might pick up a new hobby.
No.162663
>>162657Fun fact, it was made by /jp/s who were fed up with /jp/
No.162664
>>162616I ran into him on X about a week ago entirely by accident and had a bit of a wtf moment.
No.162667
>>162663Wouldn't that make it the third time it has happened? First with Bunbunmaru and then Tohno?
No.162668
>>162639send their IPs to UA glowies
No.162669
>>162660with all due respect, you sound like you don't mindlessly watch through tons of modern indie producer Japanese MVs on youtube recommendations at 2 AM
Mesmerizer is good but not that good. subtle messaging is way easier to implement than to deconstruct, deconstruction involves effort, effort demands recognition, recognition is gained by mass signaling, no wonder it took off if you get what I mean
No.162670
>>162616I've wondered how the archives are dealing with this if they are able to at all.
No.162673
>>162671Interesting, sounds very similar to the situation in the West then. User demographics and styles shifting have always been the biggest problem and people usually attribute it to smartphones having made the internet more accessible, though I personally think we would be in this mess even without smartphones.
No.162674
>>162673Most of the spam issues I've seen on imageboards can be attributed to proxies and datacenters, not phone posters. I think it's easy to blame phone posters because it's a low effort way to cirvument IP bans, but the reality is that proxies are a lot easier to cycle out for anything sustained.
No.162675
>>162674I don't really see people blaming smart phones for spam. Phone posters are often seen as clueless, impulsive, and lazy, but usually not actively malicious.
No.162676
>>162674People were herded into the large social networks. As I've stated multiple times since I was warning everyone back in the early 2000s but no one listened because google was paying them $10k a month to sell out their users.
No.162690
>>162673>>162674communication technology dictates internet discourse
domintant smarthphone don't encourage well thought out posts. it's literally harder to type on then than on a keyboard.
No.162708
Hikari3 returning error 500 whenever I attempt to click on threads or reply to them.
No.162715
>>162708works on my machine
No.162723
spellcard captcha when?
No.162736
Is there a script or regex or something that I can give otamin and tshit to stop the cheese pizza spam over there? Both of them seem to be completely incompetent at stopping it.
No.162737
Theoretical happening: The new captcha will save 4taba when figamin buys it off Verniy for a piece of used gum and bellybutton lint.
No.162740
>>162616>I deal with feds on a daily basisYeah i bet he does lolz
No.162743
>>162741Actually scratch strict dueling, just do something group-like like a battle royale to minimize bottlenecks for real posters
If there are no other visitors, you'll have to play against bots of course
This is the future of imageboards here. First one to commit to this would get an interactive metadiscussion-generat
ing anchor of culture. We'll be all looking back to the history leading up to that point, scratching our heads, and asking ourselves "wow, how come imageboards were so underdeveloped and unrealized before?"
No.162744
Sorry if that was offtopic, it's just a hyperstition of an imageboard happening. This happening already occured in the future, we are just moving towards it. It will be very massive.
No.162746
>>162505Aaand it didn't work. I've just seen CP spam on both Wap and Hikari. 39chan doesn't seem to get it often, if at all.
No.162748
>>162746Sorry, that was just me trying to make conversation with people.
No.162767
>>162740More importantly: who tops?
No.162769
>>162746I'm more surprised they thought it would work against this particular spam ring. Wasn't it already established that they solve the captchas manually? It probably only takes them a few extra seconds to paste the character's name into an image search engine.
Maybe low trust IPs should get a harder version: "Here's three pics. Who's this character? Type your answer below."
No.162784
>>162769There are so many reasons why rolling your own CAPTCHA is a horrible idea. Classification CAPTCHAs like this especially are dead, so dead that you don't even need to pay someone to solve them for you. It is piss easy to throw a tagger like >>162720 at it and get character tags. All of the popular art models were trained on Danbooru/Gelbooru metadata and there's no outsmarting that.
No.162786
>>162784you can kinda do it but you have to put a lot of effort into it. And maybe even then it doesn't pay off
>>>/captcha/What I tried to do on kissu's captcha was create a lot of character overlap, so that only some details give it away, but otherwise it just looks like "silver_hair girl"
No.162787
https://kissu.moe/captcha
No.162789
>>162788This captcha would be very difficult for the average user, and the spammers just probably brute force it anyways. I would assume a captcha where you have to type the name would be a lot more effective.
No.162790
>>162789yeah, but either way. Spam as a countermeasure for illegal content isn't effective because it just has to get posted once for there to be a problem.
These captchas work well for mass spam
No.162792
>>162789>This captcha would be very difficult for the average userIf you had to do it by memory, sure. All you really have to do though is google the character and then it's easy enough.
No.162793
>>162792What? AND I'VE BEEN DOING IT BY MEMORY ALL ALONG!!
No.162794
If I had to google the answer to a captcha I just wouldn't even post to begin with
No.162800
Any time I had to input captcha on kissu I just refreshed and it went away.
No.162801
>>162792Combine this with my own ultimate strategy.
If you get it wrong, try again with the next captcha
No.162805
My browser doesn't remember sage as saved form value in the 4chan option field. Is this just firefox being trash, or something more nefarious?
No.162823
i SAW the deleted post but i forgot what it said
No.162824
>>162823still counts as getting him
No.162826
Someone is slow spamming threads like
https://boards.4chan.org/a/thread/282780462Mods seem to be hilariously helpless.
No.162833
>>162832Good luck, this is probably objectively an improvement.
No.162864
>>162862How am I supposed to know what that character is? I don't know anything about touhou other than that it has an annoying fanbase (who do not even play the games themselves).
No.162865
>>162864Could just drag the image into any search engine and go from there...
No.162866
>>162864...what does pocky from rocky and pocky have to do with touhou?
No.162867
>>162864touwhomst? that's Inuyasha player 2 recolor
No.162869
>>162864How do you not recognize Nakoruru?
No.162874
>>162864Someone's never played buster bros
No.162882
>>162862>>162864Looks like it has been successful.
No.162883
>>162882It needs to be able to atomize anyone who gets it wrong twice in a row.
No.162886
On 4chan, your report maximum gets decreased by the number of reported posts that got deleted.
No.162888
4chan/g/ getting spammed with new threads of the beard guy right now. Oh well, at least it's not CP images this time.
No.162889
>>162888I only see cunny spam. (Actual rabbits, something about he Hare programming language, which has a rabbit as logo.)
No.162891
>>162890and nothing of value got slid away
the spammer should have made different edits of the same guy to spam tho. now that would have been funny instead of a temporary nuisance
No.162892
>>162890I'm not /g/, what's the meaning of beard guy?
No.162893
>>162892i think it's just some soylent techbro archetype looking guy
because i've seen him being posted on other boards as an insult
No.162894
>>162892It's one of the Gnome developers that asks
>Use case?Every time they take away another feature and people complain.
No.162895
>>162892An important software developer who's working on GTK and Gnome for Red Hat. that is basically one of the possible user interfaces you see on Linux. He is known for being a cranky asshole who doesn't fix his garbage and who rejects all feature requests.
No.162898
>>162895>An important software developerHeh
No.162900
>>162895He is doing a good job helping people switch off of gnome
No.162902
>>162898OK, replace "important" with "visible". I don't know what exactly he does. Perhaps his job is being an annoyance on thew bug tracker?
No.162904
>>162900Heh. Gnome 3 had that effect on me. I spent years alternating XFCE, LXDE and MATE, but I never went back to gnome.
No.162939
>>162789>would be very difficult for the average userYou mean normies
No.162942
Kissu was down for a bit
No.162944
>>162942The
Majestic 12 did this