/qa/ - Questions & Answers

>>156515
that's why you turn on "auto bury cards with same note" so you only at most see a sentence and a character/

in any case, I don't really care

>>156517
yeah but that still-
>>156518
hm okay

>>156521
stop being a nerd. Sometimes all you need is brute force

I guess since the card counts are pretty even I'll do 23 for each

>>156716
654 cards due

>>156729
stay tuned folks, still 17 more days to go

>>156844
It has an unnamed subject taking the place of/replacing whatever is marked by に, in this case the boss. You have to just surmise that the subject is the speaker, but there's nothing specifying it.

>>156844
In Japanese, if you don't see a subject, it's safe to assume it's the speaker, unless provided with context that suggests otherwise.

>>156845
so basically it's meta(culture)

>>156847
It's just context. It works for people other than yourself too, it even works in English even if it's not natural.
As an example sentence:
¥Leading the meeting, replacing usual speaker.
If the guy on the podium said this, you would know he meant himself. If someone not on the podium said this, you would know he is talking about the guy on the podium. If the context is vague you would be more likely to specify, but in real life you can communicate partially with body language instead. Even eyes talk.

>>156848
So would you say it the exact same way if you were refering to the person standing next to you or similar?
I think that you would speak slightly differently under other circumstances.
It's not quite context, it's just the wording you would pick when talking about the self

Unless you really do use the exact same sentence depending on different people which would be stupid as hell

>>156847
Basically, yeah. Japs often prefer to avoid using pronouns not because it's in any way ungrammatical but because it's impolite, and the basic heuristic is >>156846, overruled by further context as >>156848 explains.
>>156849
There are certain things that indicate explicitly whether you are talking about yourself or someone else, like the auxiliaries あげる/くれる, but there is no conjugation that marks for person, so it could indeed be the exact same string of words with a different subject depending on the context.

>>156849
I am just explaining the concept of using context instead of pronouns. It has nothing to do with culture and I am not telling you to ctrl-c and backspace random pronouns or that there are hard rules here. Just immerse a ton and you'll understand the concept. It's language, not math.

>>156850
I am saying that you would not speak the exact same way with someone around you as you would with yourself as the subject. I said nothing of conjugation or special grammatical rules. I mean you literally would not pick the same choices if someone were near you.

Don't make it autistically difficult.

>>156854
I'm not doing anything except dispelling the mystery that Japanese is some sort of magical language where no one understands what they're talking about

You already know what it means to infer from context. Now read a VN and never worry about it again. I am not going to study autistic linguistic terms to do what you can learn in two seconds. "It's inferred from context".

>>156856
it's like you're purposely misreading what I'm trying to say to avoid having a serious linguistic discussion... for some reason... am I right or wrong that depending on various situations people will chose different routes... therefor there is no such thing as a context based language in Japanese, it's just a bunch of meta choices you only pick up through engaging with the culture

>>156852
>>156853
If you have a magical understanding of language where understanding is spontaneously attained with no recourse to rules, is there anything to debate?
>>156858
You need to engage with the culture to understand its conventions and clear up ambiguities, yes. He's telling you to just infer from the context, but for some reason excludes social conventions from that context.

>>156858
>it's just a bunch of meta choices you only pick up through engaging with the culture
just like posting on kissu...

Couldn't fully complete a day, 1000 cards due

Going to have to really start increasing the intervals or press easy more often now. But the number of decks is decreasing meaning the number of reviews from other decks is getting easier and being shifted onto the decks which are much more niche and targetted towards newspapers rather than conversation, perhaps I scale it down before the 17th and instead when it becomes completely untenable...

But it's a bit of a goal of mine to finally 100% clear the Core2K decks. Adding in the katakana later i guess

So, I'll still complete my lifelong goal of clearing the core2K deck, but not by the 16th/17th and probably more like the 30th and slowly replace it with literature and training that makes use of the vocabulary and sentences I've picked up

>>157110
I don't even know how you do that many cards in a day. Would take me the entire day to do that many since I always sound out every sentence before confirming I got it right, and redo if I messed it up even slightly.

>>157112
> Would take me the entire day
from 12AM to 7AM

Also I've learned a lot of methods to make it work but they only slow down the inevitable pile into 1000s of cards... Like right now if I focus on decks 7 and 9 and get my 120 new cards in while I'm not tired, I can handle the reviews much easier.

This is something I realized basically yesterday so I think I can use this technique to hold on for 4 more days and finish off those decks, but there's still 1100 cards left in decks 3 and 4 which I don't think I can sustain. They're all political words like "political power" and "water system"

>>157114
you can try suspending all the obviously unnecessary cards
you're not getting to the level of competency needed to discuss politics, and you're not gonna be reading logh either

>>157118
I do that with anything katakana that I can kinda guess already.
kinda hard to know what real words I don't need to know. There are a lot of variations on "change" that just have different kanji. And some intransitive vs transitive conjugations. But for the most part those are easy enough.

Anyways, it's a personal goal to complete this set and anything I suspend is going to be recovered eventually.

How does 作業 fit in with 仕事　
And also 勤める　　and 働く

>>157125
>How does 作業 fit in with 仕事
The former is more abstract (it doesn't explicitly describe someone doing it) and smaller in scope.

>勤める and 働く
being "employed" (abstract) to do the thing vs doing the thing

Deck7 very weird... The last 60 were all duplicates from the start. I wonder if there was some kind of import error...

Well. In any case it makes completing it easier and lets me divert effort towards retaining some more of the harder cards for a day.

deck 9 is also lays out a lot of onomatopoeia, which is also kinda niche...

Anyways, that's completed today. Leaving only the 3rd and 4th deck. So I'll do those at a rate of 45 cards per day, then have the other decks die down a bit and start working in reading/grammar/composition and etc

what a mess, I'm looking up most of these words and they're graded at N1

>>157547
N levels don't mean anything past N5-N4. 予想 is marked N1 on Jisho and is extremely common.

>>157544
All the words in this sentence are very common and not complicated words. Of course if you don't know them it will be annoying, but ignore N levels. There are a ton of common words that aren't even in JLPT lists. Learn what you need to use the language as much as possible every day, if you want to pass the N1 at a later date you can go through all the JLPT words you haven't learned yet before then.

>>157559
I don't really care about N levels but they exist for a reason and someone set them up based on a criteria that means something.

Anyways it seems like the 3rd and 4th deck are going to fill out the majority of things graded n3 n4. And the sentences also include some missing words from the deck worth memorizing.

But alas, this set of words is only just a gateway which I'll eventually discard

how are you actually supposed to separate particles from words. Surely there are some words where the particles blend with the subject to create a really confusing string of words

>>157703
何を言っているんですか？

Oh you mean like actually if you're reading and don't know what's a particle and what's a word? Uhhh, well I guess it takes being familiar with the grammar to understand. Also the pitch accent can often help in this case because it tends to somewhat separate them out a bit or combine words with a particle at the end. It will never be in a word itself.

>>157708
listening

if there are words that end with wa, de, o then how does one actually understand what is being said until the next sylable comes out. You have to keep refering to the previous vowel whenever the next is spoken. Unless you like, learn each word followed by a particle as it's own separate word

>>157710
it's pitch accent

>>157711
so it just sounds wrong

>>157703
By knowing the content words and the particles? There are fossils where a supporting word fuses with the main one like 我が (ancient possessive が), or 聖なる (archaic form of な), but-
>>157709
That's complicated. In terms of actual phonetics, particles don't have a pause between them and the prior word and behave more as if they were a suffix, they're actually clitics (yes, that's their real name). The only true answer is that you have to know the words, but also consider their place and function in a sentence.
>>157711
This doesn't quite work with heiban words (which are most of them), because in the majority of cases their pitch will be unaffected.

>>157712
not exactly, uh
i'm not even sure if i'm right, others have studied pitch accent far more than me, but i've noticed there's always something with a particle's pitch accent or maybe that's just noticing something that doens't exist. don't listen to me i'm probably just retarded

>>157720
my cunny leg was stabbed

>>157720
Although を and が are optional for marking object/subject, に is obligatory. You can't drop it.

>>157722
so ni is more of a word with a direct translation than o and ga or wa

I mean, that I would personally consider the other particles as adjectives, but ni is more of a noun

Lesson 8: Location, purpose and transformation - keys to the ni particle and he particle ([embed])

>>157723
No, not really. Its ultimate meaning depends on the verb, it's still a particle.

...the verb and the word it's being attached to, of course. We can't forget its usage that is effectively equal to the English -ly.

>>157726
ok, so it has to exist and you can kinda of assume where it's supposed to be based off of 'patterns' which you pick up.

But omitting wa, o, ga means that they are inferior particles that exist in a space that merely express clarity of action rather than defining the sentence itself.

>>157729
It means they're basic enough that you can leave them out and the other person will understand, because sentence order alone can indicate which is which, as in English, but for other uses they aren't optional. Like が for contradictions, を for mediums of travel, or は for... well, that one's complicated.

In English I can remove "the" from every noun and not call it "the noun" and the idea will still be obvious unless it's. Is this the same idea as omitting ga or wa?

unless it's idk

another thing that pisses me off is adding O in front of words just to make particle possitions even less clear

>>157733
この＋Noun
その＋Noun
あの＋Noun
is more like that

>>157733
No, in English articles are obligatory as well, but you don't use them with certain kinds of nouns depending on characteristics like whether they are countable or uncountable. "The water" is something you would use to refer to a body of water, while "water" by itself refers to the pure liquid. There's a tangible difference in semantics and syntax. In Jap, when you drop those two, there's no difference at all.
>>157735
Yeah, that's the honorific prefix.

>>157738
And honor pisses me off

>>157739
Not the best language to learn then, no?

AAAAAA KEISATSU THERE'S A BUREI NA GAIJIN THROW HIM IN THE DUNGEON NOW

>>157752
Yeah, it's one of a few monomoraic words in common use, like 絵 (e) or 気 and 木 (ki). You already saw mosquito (ka) at the start of >>157720.

I'm getting tired of flashcards again.
I just prevented reviews on all the completed decks and am going to finish the last 987 at a rate of 240 per day. Then probably set it aside or limit the reviews to only a max of an hour.

Probably won't have much retention jamming 200 words into my head in the span of 4 days, but I can process them over a longer duration while I focus on absorbing grammar and patterns from reading.

Also like, these isolated word challenges where you hear a sound and associate it with a definition are painful because you have to consider every interpretation or memorize which deck has which definitions... which is decent vocabulary training I guess, but it's very time inefficient.

And the ones where things are said in a sentence by contrast are easy and difficult to fail.

>>157640
>someone set them up based on a criteria that means something
nice joke

dumb critards

dumb contrarian

dumb contard

Everything in these last two decks is new to me... most of them I've barely if at all picked up on when watching anime.
Somehow I'll get them all crammed into me in by Monday and then cut the card load to like 100 reviews per day, getting anki to pick the shortest interval items as priority.

Really just want to take a day off or something but I don't have that time.
Finish this deck, something I've never been able to do before and try and hold some reps to mature more of them by early August.

To that end I'll probably go back to writting them out because I can't learn most of these last few by just looking at them visually

>>157932
Like you feel it. You don’t translate it to English if you try to do that you end up with a fnord. It truly is weird.
It’s because language is only one point of communication. There are other symbols that are universal and easy to understand like body language and situation.
People forget that in real communication this happens there is much more beneath the surface.

>>157932
>It’s why I can now I can sort of parse Japanese even if I have little to no vocabulary
If you grind a small, comprehensive vocabulary deck, it's likely enough to push you over the edge.

>>157935
Yeah, maybe it is Chinese...my phone doesn't treat kanji right. That makes a bit of sense if so. I'll see if I can change my phone locale
My steam install and browser did this too unti I set my steam settings to JP.

>>157935
Also a ton of the characters shared by Chinese and Japan look pretty much if not identical so I will put extra stress that you don't need to feel bad about it, your brain will adapt quickly.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/1ju178/android_phones_display_some_kanji_incorrectly/

I thought that there were just different ways of writting it on computers, but that makes more sense

>銀行は3時まで開いています。
>ぎんこう は さんじ まで あいて います
>The bank is open until three o'clock.

If it weren't for theいます would it sound like you're going to meet someone at 3 at the bank?

>>157971
The meaning of auxiliary いる here is different from the textbook -ing, and it's one that depends on the verb. A nice example I once saw was with 結婚: 結婚する is to marry someone, to get married, but 結婚している is to be married, to be in a state of marriage, a result of having married. In your case, it's the state of being open, which exists until 3.
I have encountered lists with classifications of which verbs have which meanings with いる, but I do not remember where and can't find it, sadly.

the meaning of 下げ

原因
げんいん
cause, origin


On my flashcards the n is practically ommitted but it does adjust the sound slightly.

How the the middle N actually adjust the sound of the E into I?

What's also up with Gs in this language. Sometimes they are pronounced other times nog

>>158113
ん becomes a semivowel when placed between vowels, like a very nasal y-sound, more towards the back of the mouth. You can see the same happen in 全員, a very common word.
>>158114
/g/ in initial position or after ん blocks all airflow, but between vowels becomes more relaxed and only blocks it partly. It's a normal translingual phenomenon, the same happens usually with /b/ and /d/.

>>158113
The pronunciation of ん varies depending on what sound comes immediately after it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_phonology#Moraic_nasal

>>154623
>>158114
The occurrence of the velar nasal onset (English "ng" sound [ŋ] instead of a [g] sound at the beginning of が・ぎ・ぐ・げ・ご) varies by region, age, and even by speaker, but it hardly ever occurs at the beginning of a word. The postpositional particles 「が」 and 「ぐらい」 are examples of words where it can occur at the beginning, but since they are postpositional, they come immediately after another word.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_phonology#Velar_nasal_onset

This is different from what >>158163 is describing, which I think is lenition?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_phonology#Lenition

>>158175
>onset
It's important to note that "onset" means "the consonant(s) at the start of a syllable," it indicates placement rather than individual articulation. In English the velar nasal /ŋ/ exists as a phoneme, but it cannot use it as an onset, only a coda (a.k.a. placed at the end of a syllable), whereas various African languages can.
And yes, I was referring to lenition, since he was describing a weakening of the sound, but I wanted to keep it simple this time.

>>158163
>>158175
>>158177
confusing. So it's not another pronounciations so much as it is the side effect of the japanese accent?

>>158193
Essentially, the units of sound that a language uses to build words and distinguish them from one another, those are called "phonemes." If English speakers can differentiate between the words "bad" with "bat" and have them mean different things, then we can say those two consonants are contrastive, meaningful. These are the ones written between slashes, /d/ vs /t/.
However, a phoneme is by no means restricted to a single pronunciation, and can take different forms depending on its position and the other phonemes around it. These conditioned alternatives are called "allophones", and are written inside brackets. English /t/ may actually take the form of aspirated [tʰ] at the start of a word, [t̚] with no audible release at the end of a word, and in the middle of the word become a glottal stop [ʔ], a flap [ɾ], or literally [d] depending on the dialect. That's the kind of fuckery you're dealing with.

>>158200
I misread that as
>the units of sound that a language uses to build worlds and distinguish them from one another, those are called "phonemes."
You just turned language learning into worldbuilding and rekindled my intrinsic motivation without even meaning to.

>>158219
>worldbuilding
it's called linguistics

I may have cheated by preventing reviews but I've finally done it.
At last, I am free from the torment of 5 hours a day of flash cards!
Now I just have 647 katana cards which I can breeze though easily and I will have "learned" the Core2k Japanse deck!

I think I will limit the deck to 100 reviews per day from now and will likely mature it by the end of the year if I keep at it.

So where do I go now? I think I'm going to start reading a lot from yomuyomu.app/lessons
After I catch back on work, probably do a similar intensity and try to read everything on the site.
As for listening, I'm not sure what angle to take. I've thought that translations might be the best route, but I also like to find SFW stuff on asmr.one. I'm thinking the more translation route requires a lot more effort and is probably better.
Also I'll probably switch all my computer settings over to Japanese next week.

Continue this until August 1st and then blitz through some speech training for a week until I leave for JP and then work out things on the fly in an immersion setting.

>>158241
>So where do I go now?
Any SoL anime like non non biyori or yuru yuri are fine and you will likely have few problems with them. You can get japanese subs from kitsunekko or jimaku.cc, and the memento video player has anki integration for them.

>>158383
I've seen 適当 been used more for the second meaning than the first at this point. They also tend to use テキトー instead to make it distinguishable, so not too big of a problem.

>>158376
Though Thought Tough Through Thorough
All languages are like this.

>>158383
>They don't have the same spelling anon
The pitch also noticeably drops in 美容院.

>>156216
>>156218
>>156219
Not baka-lang, 閉める 締める 絞める, they are in fact the same word with different kanji pointing to the specific nuance, not a homo. 移す 写す 映す it all makes sense when you internalize that this isn't chinese, and separate kanji from words properly, outside of 漢語

>>158447
Nice!

apparently it's both, but キッス seems to be almost exclusively for the band

>>158458
Kiss = キス
Kissu = キッス

Kisu = キス too...

odd = キスウ

One of my flashcards was:
看護婦
Which is apparently a depreciated term,
So I dunno if I should worry about learning it

>>158497
You'll come across it in media regardless.
This is why you're supposed to start mining after a small set of core words, to learn words that will be useful to you.
When it comes to speaking and knowing which words are appropriate, flashcards aren't what's going to make that happen. Experience will.

>>158498
The flashcard set, core2k, is based on the frequency of words in newspaper so it's based on something. It's not media, but at the time they compiled it, it was common enough to be in the 5th deck

>>158500
You will come across the word and should learn it. It's deprecated, not obsolete.

Why is it so hard to get the pitch accent right… I try practicing them but it never works

>>158513
You need tiny Japanese sensei to berate you and beat you with ruler until you get it right.

>>158571
Is he against the trend of P-shaped bodies too? (I don't understand Japanese, but I think my theory is correct)

>>158571
I can't tell if you're asking as a joke, but words that end with ~しい are sometimes replaced with letters in an slangy-way. i.e. かなC instead of 悲しい, and even further deformations like the うれP instead of 嬉しい there.

>>158574
why would I post it as a joke...

>>158576
Sorry, the phrase "What did he mean by this?" is something I only really see in shitpost thread, so I assumed incorrectly...

>>158577
I used a very common expression but I knew `you` would think otherwise, so I picked it to get a response

>>158578
It's not that common.

>>158578
>`you`
But I'm me and he's him and YOU'RE you.
You should know this.

>>158723
in my opinion, most anime and otaku content is wasted effort when it comes to handling real life scenarios... and real life scenarios is what I'll have to deal with in[checks callender] under 2 weeks

Didn't know you were going to be a police detective. I hope you catch those gaijin in the act.

>>158725
more realistic than getting a girlfriend